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POP QUIZ (20 Quotes: Is it Reagan or W.?)
National Review (The Corner) ^ | June 13, 2004 | KJL

Posted on 06/15/2004 1:39:10 AM PDT by Tamzee

POP QUIZ [KJL] 20 Quotes: Is it Reagan or W.? (Answers later today.)

1)“European discomfort with the President, however, goes beyond the political differences that preceded and will outlast his presidency. It has, as well, a personal basis. He appears to Europeans to be ill equipped for the responsibility that he bears, a kind of cowboy figure, bellicose, ignorant, with a simplistic view of the world…

2)“[The President] came to Europe to persuade people that he is not the shallow, nuclear cowboy of certain unkind assessments. Said [a] White House spokesman … on the eve of departure, ‘Some in Europe do not know or understand him.’ But now that the president has been among them… Europeans may think they got him right the first time.”

3)“For many Europeans… America has become paranoid… [which has] led them to take their distance from us… Mutual recrimination becomes political action. Both sides of the Atlantic, writes … an editor of the influential Hamburg weekly Die Zeit, are ‘losing interest in each other.’ … The estrangement has not come naturally. The communality of heritage and beliefs between the United States and Europe is old and powerful and has withstood frequent vicissitudes. However, an accumulation of events and developments has built up enough discord to threaten the most solid of foundations.”

4)“The anti-American theme, a popular subject for campaigning politicians, is aimed mostly at U.S. policy and the [U.S.] administration. This country is pictured as a French David standing up to an American Goliath. [The French foreign minister] warned during the … controversy: ‘There is a progressive divorce between Washington and Europe …. The U.S. seems totally indifferent to our problems.’”

5)“In a day of protests across Western Europe, hundreds of thousands of people demonstrated against the [American policy]… The protest organizers said about 1.2 million people took part in the demonstrations…. Hundreds of thousands jammed central London in what was said to be the largest protest of its kind in British history. In Rome, an estimated 350,000 marchers paraded through the center of the city.”

6) “Europe Sees U.S. Foreign Policy As Out Of Control” – Los Angeles Times headline

7) “Speaking to members of the American Stock Exchange, [Senator Edward] Kennedy said, ‘Our present course is taking the United States toward unilateral intervention … toward a war, whether we want it or not, whether we like it or not, (that) will inevitably involve American forces in combat. But surely, an American invasion… would plunge us into the most unwanted, unnecessary and unjustified war in our history,’ Kennedy said…. Kennedy said Congress must propose ‘an alternative policy with a real prospect of success.’ ‘So, as a first step, we must call off the dogs of war,’ he said.”

8)“[W]e have a President who is obsessed by the subject. [Nicaragua for Ronald Reagan – or Iraq for George W. Bush] is his Moby Dick. Like a political Ahab, he pursues it beyond reason, beyond humanity, beyond safety. In his frustration, he spews out rage and hate, fear and falsehood.”

9) “[The President] has substituted a mindless militarism for a foreign policy… frightening our friends… Already, the cost of [the President’s] policies is devastating to our country in economic strength, in diplomatic influence, in national security, in moral stature.”

10) “‘This has been a foreign policy without a guiding star,’ said… a former official in Republican administrations… ‘It has been the most ideological administration of U.S foreign relations I've seen and the least conceptual, in terms of a clear vision of what the world ought to be like and what we would do to get there.’”

11)“The tangible achievements of his first term have been relatively modest. His economic program, in the judgment of many experts, has succeeded almost in spite of itself – and the current recovery is built on record deficits that will burden the nation for a generation. His foreign policy has lacked coherence…”

12) “Unilateral intervention by a truculent and trigger-happy Uncle Sam might delight some U.S. citizens – frustrated by events, eager for easy answers – but elsewhere… it would only serve to reaffirm the worst fears…”

13) “The United States has a myopic, ideological foreign policy that really isn't a policy at all, but a collection of maneuvers produced by prejudice and instinct. The men responsible for American diplomacy, it seems, often fail to grasp they have put us into grave trouble around the world…. [The President] has angered and undermined his closest ally in Europe, [the British Prime Minister], and he has aggravated the gravest problem facing the United States, a problem symbolized by the largest protest demonstrations in Europe since World War II...”

14)“To win that vote [congressional vote to authorize support for its foreign policy goals], the Administration is now reduced to McCarthyite tactics: the insinuation that foes of its … policy are … stooges or worse. Can Congress be whipped by these tactics into a policy of such moral, military and political degradation?”

15)“When a politician claims that God favors his programs, alarm bells should ring… If there is anything that should be illegitimate in the American system, it is such use of sectarian religiosity to sell a political program. And this was done not by some fringe figure, but by the President of the United States.”

16)“What is the world to think when the greatest of powers is led by a man who applies to the most difficult human problem a simplistic theology – one in fact rejected by most theologians?... What must the leaders of Western Europe think of such a speech? … The exaggeration and the simplicities are there not only in the rhetoric but in the process by which he makes decisions.”

17)“Perhaps even more dangerous, [the President’s] smug view, if further inculcated in Americans, will preclude self-examination, humility, a willingness to concede error. Are we so clearly a God-directed, chosen people that we have no need to question our virtue, or the evil of our rivals? If [the President] really thinks so, he has shaken off the strongest restraints on human conduct – doubt and fear.”

18) "[Pollster Lou Harris] believes that [the President] is polarizing the country more than any president since Franklin D. Roosevelt and that, when such strong political polarization occurs, it tends to lead to a greater voter turnout. That would benefit the Democrats…"

19) "'[The President] has been a divider, not a uniter… The American people will reject four more years of danger, four more years of pain,’ [a leading congressional Democrat] said."

20) "[One state Democratic chairman] said: '[The President] has a lot of problems. The less he does, the better he does; the more he does, the worse he does. He keeps polarizing the voters, and the Republican Party is not big enough to allow that. An incumbent President must unite the country, not divide it. It’s unbelievably bad strategy on their part.'"

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; kerry; nader; quiz; quotes; reagan; reaganandbush; reaganorbushquiz
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QUIZ ANSWERS [KJL] Every one of those quotes was about Reagan.

1) Michael Mandelbaum, Foreign Affairs, ”America and the World 1985”

2) Mary McGrory, Washington Post, June 10, 1982

3) New York Times, May 9, 1982

4) US News & World Report, December 20, 1982

5) James M. Markham, New York Times, October 23, 1983

6)Los Angeles Times headline, December 4, 1986

7) United Press International, June 11, 1985

8) Anthony Lewis, New York Times, March 24, 1986

9) John B. Oakes, former senior editor, New York Times, November 1, 1981

10) Don Oberdorfer, Washington Post, November 20, 1983

11) Tom Morganthau, Newsweek, August 27, 1984

12) Editorial, Los Angeles Times, August 7, 1985

13) Robert Kaiser, Washington Post, October 30, 1983

14) John B. Oakes, New York Times, March 7, 1986

15) Anthony Lewis, New York Times, March 10, 1983

16) Anthony Lewis, New York Times, March 10, 1983

17) Tom Wicker, New York Times, March 15, 1983

18) Haynes Johnson, Washington Post, January 29, 1984

19) The Associated Press, January 30, 1984

20) Dom Bonafede, The National Journal, May 5, 1984

Posted at 05:39 PM

1 posted on 06/15/2004 1:39:11 AM PDT by Tamzee
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To: nuconvert; Cindy; Pan_Yans Wife; McGavin999; AdmSmith; tet68; GOPJ; Dubya's fan; sionnsar

QUIZ Ping!

2 posted on 06/15/2004 1:51:38 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: Tamsey

Yep, it was all said about Reagan.

De je vue all over again...

But wait, Jacques Chirac says history never repeats itself...

3 posted on 06/15/2004 1:58:27 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: F14 Pilot
All about President Reagan. I'm not shocked.

The Europeans absolutely despised President Reagan, especially in his first term. MILLIONS of Europeans took to the streets to protest basing nuclear missiles in West Germany. Heck, according to the New York Times, 24,000 BERLINERS protested President Reagan's June 1987 visit to Berlin when he made his famous "Tear down this wall!" speech.

But history has proven that President Reagan was right. And they were wrong. Now they're trying to claim they never said it. We can't let them get away with this revisionist history.
4 posted on 06/15/2004 2:00:00 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: F14 Pilot

best post of the day, thanks

5 posted on 06/15/2004 2:01:29 AM PDT by risk
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To: Tamsey
By the way, Anthony Lewis was nothing more than Maureen Dowd in drag --- Writing op-eds full of spin and fury wrong about everything.
6 posted on 06/15/2004 2:07:14 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Tamsey; conservative in nyc
Excellent post! A keeper!

Next assignment is to find out what Anthony Lewis, Michael Mandelbaum etc said about President Reagan last week.

7 posted on 06/15/2004 2:24:35 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Tamsey
Excellent post Tamsey! ~BUMP~
8 posted on 06/15/2004 2:25:06 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Glad you liked it, sir :-)

9 posted on 06/15/2004 2:32:04 AM PDT by Tamzee (Noonan on Reagan, "...his leadership changed the world... As president, he was a giant.")
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To: ScaniaBoy

Great post.

BTW. Congrats on the game yesterday. Truly excellent team this year. This could be 1994 all over again.

Or with some bad luck against Italy and Denmark, an early exit :-)


10 posted on 06/15/2004 2:43:46 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: ScaniaBoy
A keeper! I thought so myself! I especially like the one where the Associated Press called Reagan a divider in 1984 and said he would lose the re-election... just before he took the country in a landslide LOL
11 posted on 06/15/2004 2:44:14 AM PDT by Tamzee (Noonan on Reagan, "...his leadership changed the world... As president, he was a giant.")
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To: Tamsey

I guess my 9 right out of 20 isn't so hot, is it.

12 posted on 06/15/2004 2:48:23 AM PDT by Gil4
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To: DB

The French surrendered.... then they did again......then again...... then again.....

History does repeat itself.

The Frogs have NEVER won a war. They still exist as the ONLY nation to ever have been beaten by the Italians TWICE.

So history Does repeat itself if it involves France LOSING.

13 posted on 06/15/2004 2:52:32 AM PDT by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: Stillwaters


14 posted on 06/15/2004 2:54:04 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Eurotwit

Exactly! ;D

15 posted on 06/15/2004 2:55:29 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Tamsey
Amazing. I wasn't old enough to follow politics back then. All I knew was that Mama and Daddy loved President Reagan. After reviewing the 1984 election results, it looks like everybody did.

It's comforting to know that the same idiots were saying the exact same things about Reagan.

"The wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round."

16 posted on 06/15/2004 2:56:12 AM PDT by georgiadevildog (Get to work. You aren't being paid to believe in the power of your dreams.)
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To: Tamsey

17 posted on 06/15/2004 2:57:00 AM PDT by The Raven (<<----Click Screen name to see why I vote the way I do.)
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To: Tamsey

I think there is a chance we will see history repeat itself this year.

18 posted on 06/15/2004 2:57:33 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Anthony Lewis has retired as a Times columnist, turning over the mantle of nonsensical liberal shrill to Maureen Dowd. He's most recently written bad things about President Bush and Abu Ghraib, claiming his actions are unilateral and lawless and we should join the ICC:

Instead of a country committed to law, the United States is now seen as a country that proclaims high legal ideals and then says that they should apply to all others but not to itself. That view has been worsened by the Bush administration's determination that Americans not be subject to the new International Criminal Court, which is supposed to punish genocide and war crimes.

I've found nothing from Mr. Lewis on President Reagan's legacy.

Michael Mandelbaum, now a senior fellow with the Council For Foreign Relations, worte in a June 8 Newsday op-ed:

Of all the participants in the events that brought European communism to an end, the one who contributed most to this outcome was Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union.

But he at least admits that:

Reagan's staunch and often-stated belief that Western values would prevail in the confrontation with communism, the major increase in the American armed forces he advocated that aggravated the Soviet Union's economic difficulties by raising the cost of the arms race with the United States, and his early recognition that Gorbachev was a different kind of Soviet leader - one with whom he could make mutually beneficial agreements - all contributed to the end of the Cold War, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the transformation - very much for the better - of international politics.

Covering his bases, he also gives credit for the fall of communism to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Carter and George H.W. Bush, Ladt Thatcher and the tides of history.
19 posted on 06/15/2004 3:13:04 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Michael121

They won one of the most decisive and important battles in history: the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D.

20 posted on 06/15/2004 3:20:24 AM PDT by visualops (Let's win another one for the Gipper.)
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