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Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam
Guardian ^ | June 14, 2004 | Jonathan Steele

Posted on 06/13/2004 9:48:49 PM PDT by BJungNan

Red Cross ultimatum to US on Saddam

Release him, charge him or break international law, Bush told

Jonathan Steele in Baghdad Monday June 14, 2004 The Guardian

Saddam Hussein must either be released from custody by June 30 or charged if the US and the new Iraqi government are to conform to international law, the International Committee of the Red Cross said last night. Nada Doumani, a spokeswoman for the ICRC, told the Guardian: "The United States defines Saddam Hussein as a prisoner of war. At the end of an occupation PoWs have to be released provided they have no penal charges against them."

Her comments came as the international body, the only independent group with access to detainees in US custody, becomes increasingly concerned over the legal limbo in which thousands of people are being held in the run-up to the transfer of power at the end of the month.

The occupation officially ends on June 30 and US forces will be in Iraq at the invitation of its sovereign government.

"There are all these people kept in a legal vacuum. No one should be left not knowing their legal status. Their judicial rights must be assured," Ms Doumani said.

Saddam and other senior officials of the old regime are the only Iraqi detainees to have been given PoW status. Hundreds of other Iraqis have been seized since the war often, according to critics, on flimsy suspicion and held for long periods without charge, usually without their families knowing for weeks where they are.

The ICRC visited the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in early June and found 3,291 detainees, including three women and 22 boys under 18. This was less than half the 6,527 it found in March.

President George Bush has promised to close the prison where US guards indulged in pornographic abuse of prisoners and several groups of releases have taken place since. But many prisoners have been transferred to other prisons.

The ICRC is angry that it has not been given exact figures for releases or the whereabouts of those who are moved from Abu Ghraib and it is hoping the end of the occupation will put pressure on the authorities to clean up their act. "If we consider the occupation ends on June 30, that would mean it's the end of the international armed conflict. This is the legal situation.

"When the conflict ends the prisoners of war should be released according to the Geneva conventions," Ms Doumani said.

She accepted that US and other foreign forces would remain in Iraq.

Whether that meant an occupation continued would be "determined by the situation on the ground". The presence of foreign forces ought to be governed by a legal agreement with the host government.

The ICRC has made at least two visits to the former Iraqi president who is believed to be in a special prison at Baghdad airport.

Around 40 other members of the so-called "pack of cards", Washington's list of high-level members of the former regime, are also there, most in solitary confinement.

Interrogation has been sporadic and none has been charged or allowed visits by their lawyers. A few have had family visits.

They include scientists who were never members of the Ba'ath party, like Dr Amer al Saadi, who was the Iraqi government's liaison with the United Nations' weapons inspectors.

Family members claim they are being deliberately held without trial so as to be punished even in the absence of evidence of wrongdoing.

US lawyers have been helping Iraqis prepare charges against Saddam but officials say they do not expect a trial until next year at the earliest. The US and the Iraqi authorities hope other defendants will first testify against him.

But none has been willing to do so. Whether it is out of loyalty or fear of retribution by Saddam's sympathisers is not clear.

Once charged the former president will be entitled to judicial guarantees including access to a lawyer and the right to prepare a defence.

The US has made clear it will continue to detain some Iraqis after the transfer of sovereignty as part of its security operations


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1 posted on 06/13/2004 9:48:51 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

Screw them.


2 posted on 06/13/2004 9:50:26 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Reagan defeated communism while Kerry was kissing its arse.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Screw them.

Well for sure do not donate to them.

3 posted on 06/13/2004 9:51:30 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

LOL, Bring it on Red Cross.

Or, maybe you should focus on trying to stop your Red Cresent members from using their ambulances to run weapons first.


4 posted on 06/13/2004 9:51:55 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: BJungNan

Between the Guardian and the International Red Cross it's hard to tell which one is the redder.


5 posted on 06/13/2004 9:52:50 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: BJungNan

I wonder who in the Red Cross is making the decisions that make these headlines. And a nice expose on their political affiliations is in order.


6 posted on 06/13/2004 9:53:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: BJungNan

Isn't there a loophole here? Wouldn't the Iraqi government need to sign something agreeing that the conflict has ended? If that is the case, there is more than enough time to get this taken care of.


7 posted on 06/13/2004 9:54:31 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: BJungNan

The Red Cross doesn't seem to understand that the more arrogant its pronouncements, and the more intimate it becomes with terrorists, the closer it comes to irrelevance.


8 posted on 06/13/2004 9:54:35 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: BJungNan
Release him, charge him or break international law,

Screw "international law."

Last time I checked, the Red Cross isn't the arbiter of "international law" anyway. Go transport some more Palistinian terrorists in your "ambulances," dirtbags.

9 posted on 06/13/2004 9:54:38 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (Proud alumnus of the Reagan Youth.)
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To: BJungNan

Kerry's not in charge yet. They are still dealing with Bush.


10 posted on 06/13/2004 9:55:12 PM PDT by I still care
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To: Keith in Iowa
Where does the RED cross stand on our prisoners??
11 posted on 06/13/2004 9:55:18 PM PDT by Brimack34 (The Left-Wing media hates America. Hate them back)
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To: Let's Roll

BTW, is there any significance between the International Red Cross and the one here? I ask only because the American Red Cross seems to be a catalyst for good.


12 posted on 06/13/2004 9:55:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: BJungNan

I don't remember the Red Cross screaming to Saddam to let all his prisoners go or charge them when he had them locked up in his torture dungeons for YEARS. I guess it's just when America is involved that they complain.


13 posted on 06/13/2004 9:55:58 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: BJungNan

Kerry's not in charge yet. They are still dealing with Bush.


14 posted on 06/13/2004 9:56:17 PM PDT by I still care
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To: BJungNan

Gotta love the mentality of bureaucrats. Couldn't dare break a RULE just because he's one of the most savage creatures ever to be born, could we? Oh no. Good grief, I don't understand how the brains of these people command their lungs to inhale and exhale. Sheesh.

MM


15 posted on 06/13/2004 9:59:25 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: I still care

I swear I only posted once!


16 posted on 06/13/2004 9:59:36 PM PDT by I still care
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To: BJungNan

Everyone was knocking each over throwing money at this jihadist front group after 9/11.


17 posted on 06/13/2004 10:01:18 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: BJungNan

"No one should be left not knowing their legal status."

Saddam's legal status: dead meat


18 posted on 06/13/2004 10:07:50 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: BJungNan

To paraphrase a great leader, mostly tongue in cheek...

The Red Cross has been ruled an outlaw organization. They are thugs and worse. The bombing begins in ten minutes.


19 posted on 06/13/2004 10:10:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: BJungNan

I didn't know the red cross was in the legal defense business. I thought their charter was to inspect, advise and report on prisoner conditions, and to distribute aid to designated countries.


20 posted on 06/13/2004 10:13:36 PM PDT by ampat
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