Parting Genomes: UA Biologists Discover Seeds of Speciation [Happening as they observe!]

University of Arizona ^ | 07 June 2004 | Paul Muhlrad

[PatrickHenry]

Underlining and bold font added by your humble poster. Nice pic of Laura Reed is in the original article.

I can already anticipate the objections: "But they can't reproduce it in the lab!" Yes, but if something is done in the lab, the objection is that it can't be evidence of evolution because it's "designed." So whatcha gonna do?

[PatrickHenry]

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[AntiGuv]

Very intriguing! Wouldn't it be fascinating if speciation ultimately depends on a very limited number of particular genes? Perhaps it's just my perspective of things, but it seems to me that sympatric speciation has gained credence in recent years. I've always thought it was something worth examining in greater detail, because if geographical isolation is responsible for most (if not all) speciation, then why are so many very closely related species living in overlapping ranges?

This would give a milder boost to the concept of parallel speciation as well.

[GSlob]

The clearest evidence for evolution are the creationists, for they have not evolved.

[aardvark1]

So let's see if I followed the argument. These two different kinds of flies mated which normally do not mate and produced a horse...no, a cactus...no, a snake...no, another fly. Imagine that! Evolution is something, eh?

[AntiGuv]

So let's see if I followed the argument.

The answer definitely appears to be: Nope. Sorry!

[Junior]

But, but, but, they're still the same KIND! /creo mode

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Now you're just being mean.

[Red Badger]

I've been waiting for my yard to evolve into a lawn for years. My wife says I should play God an DO SOMETHING about it.................

[anguish]

So whatcha gonna do?

Well, what creos need to do is obvious:

[VadeRetro]

Nice pic of Laura Reed is in the original article.

You can see she's got quite a mind.

[aruanan]

I can already anticipate the objections: "But they can't reproduce it in the lab!" Yes, but if something is done in the lab, the objection is that it can't be evidence of evolution because it's "designed." So whatcha gonna do?

Masterful, though sad, wielding of the broad brush.

[familyofman]

This has nothing to do with evolution - there is no fossil record of the changes noted & you can't prove anything concerning evolution without a complete fossil record of the changes (including all the 'steps' involved). There also must be some higher 'intelligence' guiding the process and design otherwise it would never happen.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Inverse Limbo alert.

[PatrickHenry]

Thank you for your contribution to the thread.

[Shryke]

This has nothing to do with evolution - there is no fossil record of the changes noted & you can't prove anything concerning evolution without a complete fossil record of the changes (including all the 'steps' involved). There also must be some higher 'intelligence' guiding the process and design otherwise it would never happen.

Awesome! Was that cut and pasted?

Vade and PH, I was wondering if you ever saw the movie Top Secret? There is a scene in the beginning of the movie where an agent runs into a high-ranking villian's office with a report, stating that "such and such prisoners have escaped!!". The bad guy simlpy reaches into his desk and pulls out a nice sized stamp, which he then presses onto the paper. As he pulls the stamp away, the camera is over his shoulder, and you can see that the stamp says, in red, "Find them and kill them". It was a very funny scene, and it reminds me of some of these threads, when the creos show up with the same, pat responses to everything. What say you?

[VadeRetro]

I like the part how, if you can't prove every step, none of it happened. A whole science of not seeing.

[PatrickHenry]

What say you?

How can I reply to you? You have not left us a fossil record of your existence.
</creationism mode>

[familyofman]

"Was that cut and pasted?"

No, it's an original rehash of ID arguments - straight from the shadows this am.

[jigsaw]

The seeds of speciation are sown when distinct factions of a species stop reproducing
with one another. When the two groups can no longer interbreed, or just prefer not
to, they stop exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways, thus
forming separate species.

Reminds me of the gays. Someday there'll be a species called Homo Gaypiens.