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Underlining and bold font added by your humble poster. Nice pic of Laura Reed is in the original article.

I can already anticipate the objections: "But they can't reproduce it in the lab!" Yes, but if something is done in the lab, the objection is that it can't be evidence of evolution because it's "designed." So whatcha gonna do?

1 posted on 06/08/2004 3:30:58 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 06/08/2004 3:32:01 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (God bless Ronald Reagan!)
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Very intriguing! Wouldn't it be fascinating if speciation ultimately depends on a very limited number of particular genes? Perhaps it's just my perspective of things, but it seems to me that sympatric speciation has gained credence in recent years. I've always thought it was something worth examining in greater detail, because if geographical isolation is responsible for most (if not all) speciation, then why are so many very closely related species living in overlapping ranges?

This would give a milder boost to the concept of parallel speciation as well.


3 posted on 06/08/2004 3:44:16 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: PatrickHenry

The clearest evidence for evolution are the creationists, for they have not evolved.


4 posted on 06/08/2004 3:47:00 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: PatrickHenry

So let's see if I followed the argument. These two different kinds of flies mated which normally do not mate and produced a horse...no, a cactus...no, a snake...no, another fly. Imagine that! Evolution is something, eh?


5 posted on 06/08/2004 3:47:45 AM PDT by aardvark1 (You can't have everything...where would you put it? --Steven Wright)
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But, but, but, they're still the same KIND! /creo mode


7 posted on 06/08/2004 4:10:09 AM PDT by Junior (Love isn't always on time. Sometimes you have to pay for it up front.)
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To: PatrickHenry
So whatcha gonna do?
Well, what creos need to do is obvious:

10 posted on 06/08/2004 5:57:57 AM PDT by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Nice pic of Laura Reed is in the original article.

You can see she's got quite a mind.

11 posted on 06/08/2004 6:02:34 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
I can already anticipate the objections: "But they can't reproduce it in the lab!" Yes, but if something is done in the lab, the objection is that it can't be evidence of evolution because it's "designed." So whatcha gonna do?

Masterful, though sad, wielding of the broad brush.
12 posted on 06/08/2004 6:08:16 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: PatrickHenry

This has nothing to do with evolution - there is no fossil record of the changes noted & you can't prove anything concerning evolution without a complete fossil record of the changes (including all the 'steps' involved). There also must be some higher 'intelligence' guiding the process and design otherwise it would never happen.


13 posted on 06/08/2004 6:10:29 AM PDT by familyofman (laying in the dark, where the shadows run from themselves)
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To: PatrickHenry

Inverse Limbo alert.


14 posted on 06/08/2004 6:21:09 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
The seeds of speciation are sown when distinct factions of a species stop reproducing
with one another. When the two groups can no longer interbreed, or just prefer not
to, they stop exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways, thus
forming separate species.

Reminds me of the gays. Someday there'll be a species called Homo Gaypiens.

20 posted on 06/08/2004 6:44:24 AM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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From the article:

"Whether the two closely related fruitfly populations, designated Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae, represent one species or two is still debatable among biologists"

And...

"biologists haven't been able to put their finger on just what initiates the reproductive isolation."

And...

"Further experiments demonstrated that the sterility trait is caused by more than one genetic change. "I think there are many genes--4 or 5 probably, maybe many more," Reed predicted."

And...

"There's a huge amount of biodiversity out there, and we don't know where it comes from."

Looks like there is still plenty of research to do.

22 posted on 06/08/2004 6:59:54 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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I'm not totally clear on the theory here. Is it the changes in the female fly's genes that causes the sterile hybrid or is it the male's??? You'd have to use one male and several females then several males and one female to distinguish the difference. The text isn't clear on this.


28 posted on 06/08/2004 7:30:47 AM PDT by mikegi
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When the two groups can no longer interbreed, or just prefer not to, they stop exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways, thus forming separate species.

According to this Negros and Caucasians in the early 1700's were different species. But then we became one species again in the 1960's.

Either they neeed to do a lot more work on this or they have to phrase things much better

33 posted on 06/08/2004 8:56:21 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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"The first eyewitness to the birth of a new species may be a University of Arizona graduate student."

Huh? The first time this has been witnessed? Well, MAYBE witnessed?

Gee, I've been repeatedly told by those adhering to evolutionary theory that this has been observed countless times.

Guess they lied.

46 posted on 06/08/2004 10:04:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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