Posted on 06/05/2004 10:19:29 PM PDT by yonif
Translation from Hebrew to English by me
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon decided to fire the ministers Lieberman and Elon, due to heavy US pressure, directly from President George Bush: fulfill the disengagement plan fully, without cuts, and without any new scenarios that could delay its execution.
A senior government source told NFC that Sharon had no other choice but to lead to the passing of the disengagement plan fully. It is therefore that he decided to "bet it all" and to work to fulfill this guarantee to President George Bush. The only way that the plan would pass was to fire the two ministers, therefore achieving a majority in the government for passage. This relates to, as was said, to pressure coming directly from the US asking Sharon to fulfill the guarantees without straying away.
It was revealved that in a meeting the head of the PM's office, Dov Weisglass, met with the National Security Advisor, Rice, who made it clear to Sharon, through Weisglass, that President Bush would not agree to any new compromise plan dealing with the disengagement plan. Weisglass was made clear directly: The president stood upon the execution of that very same plan that was presented by Sharon, during their meeting in Washington.
President Bush told Sharon that he objected to the internal compromise plan between the Israeli government coalition partners, that would allow the option of continuing the building in certain circumstances. This option, which was being used on the "rebel" Likud members, was pushed aside by Sharon as a result. The White House stands for stopping the building (of Jewish communities) completely, even if it is done with Israeli money and not using US aid.
I doubt it. The roadmap already proves what these Arabs are even without them having their own independent state. Once they do, there will be no invasion of this new country and the retaking of it again. This country will sign defense pacts, etc, and might place UN troops on its border to prevent Israeli activity just like Hizbullah is doing in southern Lebanon.
Giving them a state will really put the place under occupation if Israel retakes it.
No. Israel's weaker economy is the reason why more American Jews do not make Aliyah.
I agree with you Southack. There is more to this plan than is seen on the surface. This move is imparative for the implimentation of it. The US is completely determined to eliminate terrorism, where ever it is, and this is all part of that plan. President Bush stuck his neck out a mile when he agreed to Sharon's plan and he's not about to allow it to be changed. It's daring, but it is going to work.
If truth be told most of the 5.5 million Jews in Israel support the pullout in Gaza. It is not a fact I am proud of but it is true.
Most of them supported the Oslo plan as well. The leftist media is to blame.
This roadmap, Sharon plan, etc. is basically a way for the US to try to calm the Europeans and Arabs who are mad about US action against terror in Iraq. On the one hand the US is determined to eliminate terrorism, and on the other determined to give terror a new country.
No, we're not giving terror a new country. We're going to crush it *everywhere*, but what we aren't going to do is attempt to crush it all at once.We are dividing the terrorists up and crushing one group at a time. First in Afghanistan, then in Iraq, then elsewhere and so on.
I understand your impatience. I understand your reluctance to engage in strategies that appear to give short-term rewards to the enemy, too.
But there is a larger plan going on here.
Arafat and his terrorists have been around longer than Al Queda. There is no plan here, but a continuance of current US policy towatds the ME. The terrorists will be rewarded with a state and their terror will be looked away from just like there terror is being looked away from even as they have no state, even as they murder Americans. Aid continues to their corrupt and bloody hands instead of invoking the policy of not allowing terror states to emerge, as Bush declares. Instead of bringing Israel into the war on terrorism, we continue to distance ourselves from her war that has been going on longer than ours. We do all this on the basis of pandering to the Arab world and the Europeans. More blood of Jews in Israel is destined with this plan. No one is asking the US to crush any terror enemy here. Israel can take care of its own enemies (at the same time these same enemies are enemies to America as well). The enemy here gets more rewards as it has been getting more and more of this for the last 10 years. If the administration was serious, it would look at this terror history. Instead, it continues on its middle east adventures for "peace" as previous administrations embarked upon.
No, previous administrations didn't end the Taliban's rule in Afghanistan or physically stop Saddam Hussein from making blood-money payoffs to the families of suicide bombers in Israel...so this is an all new Administration with all new policies, and those policies are working.There is one school of thought that the U.S. can only win by declaring war on all of Islam and wiping out 1 billion Muslims. Per that thought-train, any other path is off on the wrong track.
But there is more than one way to win this war on terror. Frankly, I'm enormously pleased to see Musharaff sending the Pakistani army into near-lawless tribal lands to kill al-qaeda and Taliban holdouts. I'm thrilled that true American allies such as President Harmid Kharzai of Afghanistan is training, fielding, and deploying Afghans to fight against Al-Qaeda. You don't see anyone protesting Americans in Afghanistan, that's for sure! Likewise, I enjoy seeing Ghadafy peacefully give up his WMD's and send his son to Europe to beg that we not invade. I'm happy to see Jordan's king Abdullah host American training centers for new Iraqi helicopter pilots, as well as watch Jordanian security foil poison gas attacks against them as well as us.
Why go to war against all of Islam when there are moderates out there who *will* aid us?
President Bush's policies are precisely what needs to be done. This is the smart way to fight and defeat terror. We are driving a wedge into terror so large that even the Saudis are finding themselves on our side fighting against Al-Qaeda. Vast amounts of monies are thereby being denied to the terrorists now (finally!). Hideouts for them are few and far between. Each day we kill more terrorists, capture more terrorists, confiscate more of their money, gain more intel on them, and turn more of their own brethren against them.
Naturally, this is made easier by being able to portray the Intifada against Israel as being somehow seperate from the larger war on terror worldwide...and this distinction understandably chaps your hide...but this distinction is necessary until we can show the outside world incontravertable evidence that Arafat was either behind 9/11 or is at least allied with al-qaeda (something that I think that we are reasonably close to achieving).
Once that point is reached (and that isn't the only way to reach this political point, either), then those already allied with the U.S. will be forced to concede that Israel is correct to apply a terminal military solution to Arafat's vast operations...and moreover, the entire Arab world is going to have to finally concede Israel's right to exist, complete with exchanges of embassies and ambassadors from *all* countries.
Naturally, this is made easier by being able to portray the Intifada against Israel as being somehow seperate from the larger war on terror worldwide...and this distinction understandably chaps your hide...but this distinction is necessary until we can show the outside world incontravertable evidence that Arafat was either behind 9/11 or is at least allied with al-qaeda (something that I think that we are reasonably close to achieving).
Why do we need to show connection between Arafat and 9/11 or Al Queda? Is this a war on terrorism or a war on just Al Queda or those responsible for 9/11? Is Al Queda the only terror group in the world? Arafat has always been a target even before Osama bin laden ever was. He is a terrorist and this is a war against ALL terrorism. There is nothing more to prove here. This is hypocrisy of the heighest order. Arafat and his terror war have been going on for decades and the US still can't say this? Even after he murders Americans?
Once that point is reached (and that isn't the only way to reach this political point, either), then those already allied with the U.S. will be forced to concede that Israel is correct to apply a terminal military solution to Arafat's vast operations...and moreover, the entire Arab world is going to have to finally concede Israel's right to exist, complete with exchanges of embassies and ambassadors from *all* countries.
Time after time again the Arabs have proven what their intentions are with Israel and yet there isn't enough evidence of their murder? We had Oslo, Wye River, Roadmap and the piling of dead Israelis. If this hasn't changed the outlook on Israel, nothing will change it - even with this new peace adventure. The point you talk about should ahve been reached, even after 9/11/01. And yet the sad nature of events concerning US policy vs. Israel remain.
The major difference between supporting Oslo and supporting this is that prior to Oslo they could claim with a straight face that they thought it would work. I have heard no coherent explanation of how this is of any benefit to Israel.
Yes, the U.S. could immediately say that Arafat is a terrorist if we want to go ahead with declaring war on all of Islam.
On the other hand, if we want the vast majority of the Islamic world to fight with us against terrorism, if we want the Islamic world to change for the better by finally agreeing to live in peace with Israel, then we are going to have show incontravertable evidence of Arafat getting caught being involved either with 9/11 or with Al-Qaeda today.
And frankly, I think that we are close to that point of being able to show that Arafat is dirty, even to a very skeptical Islamic world.
In the meantime, withdrawing from Gaza is yet one more way that Sharon and Bush are boxing the terrorists in (conceptually). I don't expect you to like it. I wouldn't stand for it myself if I lived in Israel, but if Israel plays along smartly for just a tiny bit longer, then this whole plan will overwhelm the terrorists. They are boxed in. They simply have no way to stop their own defeat now.
It is not terrorism to target a non-Muslim, by the thought of militant Islam. Neither are non-Muslims people civilians, they are combatents.
The Islamic world's governments are on the side of Arafat and his organization's quest to destroy Israel.
I don't blame you for being jaded and cynical, but al-qaeda has alienated their own allies. Already they've tried to assassinate Musharaff in Pakistan, Massoud and Kharzai in Afghanistan (they got Massoud), King Abdullah in Jordan, as well as attempted to oust the Saud's in Saudi Arabia. No doubt they've tried to hit Mubarrak in Egypt, too, though that's a bit tougher to confirm.Well, those sorts of things don't build allies. The imams of the royal families in Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Kuwait are already condemning Bin Laden and al-qaeda, as is Ghadafy in Libya. Northern Alliance mullahs in Afghanistan likewise condemn the Taliban and al-qaeda.
At some moment you finally reach the tipping point where most of the Islamic world is condemning al-qaeda. Should Arafat get caught aiding a big attack for them, then this condemnation will burn the Palestinians by removing forever their international "shield of protection."
And we are very close to that point. Hang in there just a little longer and you'll see.
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