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Once again, a "gay marriage" activist shows his complete lack of understanding.

Arguing that a redefinition of marriage to allow gays is analogous to expanding voting rights rests on a false premise. As the right to vote expanded, the concept of of "the vote" always remained the same. Voting always meant choosing one's representative, no matter who was allowed to vote. Marriage, however, has always been a union of man and woman to raise their children. Thus, "gay marriage" distorts the entire concept of marriage in the way that expanding the franchise never changed voting.

Plus, the canard that gay marriage does not threaten traditional marriage is put to the lie by Gene Robisons, the Episcopal cleric who left his family for a gay lover. If he was willing to do that when homosexuality was stigmatized, how many other marginal marriages might end when society gives homosexuality the thumbs up? Plus, how will we be able to teach children about marriage when we will always have to treat Suzie's two daddies as a normal family?

1 posted on 06/05/2004 8:14:54 PM PDT by asmith92008
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To: asmith92008
After decades of research, it is agreed that people do not choose their sexual orientation.

Liar.

2 posted on 06/05/2004 8:17:45 PM PDT by Tax Government (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of tyrants. - B. Franklin)
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Marriage Can Be Expanded

That's the first LIE, without even reading the rest of the "homo-promo" tripe.

4 posted on 06/05/2004 8:22:57 PM PDT by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Partisan Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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To: asmith92008
Marriage Can Be Expanded
Indeed. Incest. Polygamy. Bigamy. Interspecies relationships. If two people of the same sex can marry, then why not anyone, under any circumstances?
5 posted on 06/05/2004 8:33:43 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: asmith92008
I have slowly gone from that initial shock to acceptance

How many times have you heard something from a tearfull momma like this "I know they said Jerome killed them people, but he's a good boy."

Understandable avoidance of reality.

8 posted on 06/05/2004 8:43:08 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: asmith92008
Somehow, someway, too many people gave up fighting to save Western civilization - just about "a quarter of a century ago".

Rather than get his daughter help, this person simply gave up and gave in.

Sad, not just for them but for the larger society as well.

9 posted on 06/05/2004 8:43:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: asmith92008

Agreed. The comparison is invalid. The nature of a vote does not change regardless of who is voting. Marriage has always been understood from time immemorial to be a union of a man and a woman. If people of the same sex unite, it changes the nature of marriage since the substance of the union will be different. One would expect liberals to understand that when you change a traditional arrangement, it destroys the essence of that arrangement. That is exactly why marriage cannot be expanded in the way the voting franchise was. Don't expect liberals and gay activists like Sherman Stein to understand that not all change is good for society.


10 posted on 06/05/2004 8:44:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: asmith92008

The man's daughter is confused so he does the natural thing - he learns from her.


12 posted on 06/05/2004 8:48:40 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: asmith92008
After decades of research, it is agreed that people do not choose their sexual orientation.

Most recent studies indicate that only 10% of male homosexuals are born that way. The rest just get sucked into it.

16 posted on 06/05/2004 9:01:05 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: asmith92008

That editorial is so gay.


17 posted on 06/05/2004 9:03:08 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (The truth is like sunlight -- people used to think it was good for you)
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To: asmith92008

I must disagree here: As the right to vote expanded, the concept stayed the same - it was just opened to more people. The same goes for marriage in this situation: Expanding marriage opens it to more people, but the concept stays the same; The joining of two in a common bond.


18 posted on 06/05/2004 9:03:55 PM PDT by Gid_29
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To: asmith92008
After decades of research, it is agreed that people do not choose their sexual orientation.

I'd like to hear the author explain bi-sexuality.

26 posted on 06/05/2004 9:18:18 PM PDT by usadave
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To: asmith92008

Why can't people confront their own children who are homosexuals? Randall Terry does a very good job of being able to love his gay son, while at the same time declaring how his son's lifestyle is wrong and self-destructive. These loony liberals just melt into mush when faced with their own childrens' homosexuality. Why should that mere fact cause them to dump the moral beliefs they have always held dear?


29 posted on 06/05/2004 9:24:37 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: asmith92008; All

We seem to have lost alllllllllllllllllll

awareness and understanding about what

sacred vs profane

means in our society.

Sacred, holy = set apart for a lofty, holy, devoted use--as unto God etc.

profane at least meant and means common, i.e. NOT set apart as very special.

When marriage becomes whatever whim strikes whatever group of critters . . .

HOLY MATRIMONY

will truly have become profaned to the extreme. It seems well on it's way to that dismal state.

Any woman--or man, for that matter--worth a few dozen connected brain cells

should well realize that to be cherished uniquely, exclusively, after the pattern of Christ Loving the church--is indeed a most precious state.

Perhaps there's been such little of that evident the last 50 years that succeeding waves of young critters have given up--so much so, that they no longer have any hint of such a dream as part of that glint in their eyes for one another.


30 posted on 06/05/2004 9:25:14 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: asmith92008

Homosexuality is degeneracy in adults. To condone and affirm this degeneracy as 'just as acceptable as normal sexual behavior' is to at once establish the worthlessness of the human soul and the institutions of civilization upon which the healthy continuance of culture depend. Embracing degeneracy degenerates the society. Does it harm traditional marriage as a fundamental institution of our civilization?... It murders it, aborts it, twsits the civilization into an laien beast of hedonistic pursuit where degenerates are protected to define themselves by their sexual proclivities no matter how unhealthy those proclivites may prove to be. THAT is the goal of the degenerates, to be 'just as acceptable' as any other behavior or minority. But what other class of marginal humans is allowed to define themselves based on degenerate behavior entered into willingly, then given full minority staus equal to race? I marvel that the black community is not outraged at the 'in your face' methodology of the degenerates, as the homosexuals diminish the legitimacy of true minorities. But then I remember that most black people vote democrat and that is the party of degeneracy and blood sacrifice for empowerment.


38 posted on 06/05/2004 9:42:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Gay marriage is too a threat to those who view marriage as a sacred union between man and woman.

Also, how dare he compare the expansion of marriage to the expansion of voting. People denied the right to vote simply because they didn't own property is quite ridiculous indeed; however, unlike homosexuality, not owning property is not a mental pestilence.
55 posted on 06/05/2004 10:43:08 PM PDT by rochester (bringing the right back in sight)
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To: asmith92008
A quarter of a century ago, our then-teenage daughter, the youngest of our three children, announced that she was gay

Did he ever wonder who seduced her into the lifestyle?

59 posted on 06/05/2004 11:02:52 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we Must!!! (Bombard))
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To: asmith92008
Many stand behind their kids no matter what - even when that means coddling a murderer.

That doesn't make it right. In fact it makes it more suspect when your judgement is clouded by emotional sentiment.


BUMP

67 posted on 06/06/2004 6:38:44 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: asmith92008

Marriage is an institution formed by God, no one is allowed to change it's rules but God. So until the sky splits with a booming voice relating differently, marriage is between a man and a woman. Separation of church and state cuts both ways, government is not allowed to define "marriage", it is outside their domain and remains in the domain between society and God.

I suppose a state could legalize unions, if the politician wishes to risk his seat in office, but state sanctioned unions cannot be defined as Holy Matrimony.


70 posted on 06/06/2004 7:18:30 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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