THE NORMANDY QUAGMIRE

The Daley Times-Post ^ | 06/02/04 | Edward L. Daley

[Edward_Daley]

By I. N. Tanswer - June 9, 1944

Tuesday's invasion of the European continent by primarily American and British forces may go down in history as the biggest military blunder of all time. The presumptuousness of the invasion's name alone, "Operation Overlord", should have been our first clue as to the state of mind of the people who concocted this foolhardy and now obviously disastrous scheme. As the number of casualties continues to rise, with estimates approaching 50,000 dead and 240,000 wounded, many patriotic Americans are forced to ask if Mr. Roosevelt's preemptive war against the people of Germany has been worth the cost of so many innocent young lives.

[stylin_geek]

Wow, sensitive, aren't you? Fine, report me for abuse. Hasn't happened yet, so I'm due.

As for reading comprehension, I suggest you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, too. My comment about President Bush being hung was meant in the figurative, not the literal. Even a semi-lucid leftist such as yourself should have been able to figure it out.

You do amuse me when you rant about my just starting to care that Iraqi children were being starved by sanctions. Oil for Food was supposed to take care of this, right? Saddam was contained, Oil for Food was providing humanitarian relief, etc etc.

As I said, you seem to believe that continuing in a mistake is the best policy, whereas I admit our prior policy was a mistake, and changes needed to be made.

So, where am I being inconsitent?

Pardon for my grammatical mistakes and errors in tense. I had no idea this was a course in English, where I was being graded for what I write. /sarcasm

[stylin_geek]

Check this out, in reference to our argument.

[weegee]

There is absolutely no doubt that Hanoi Jane committed treason just with her act of posing for photos on an enemy antiaircraft gun.

I think that the Vietnam antiwar protestors got a pass because there was a feeling of just burying the past. War crimes weren't investigated. Draft dodgers were pardoned...

[Blzbba]

Wow, sensitive, aren't you? Fine, report me for abuse. Hasn't happened yet, so I'm due.

As for reading comprehension, I suggest you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, too. My comment about President Bush being hung was meant in the figurative, not the literal. Even a semi-lucid leftist such as yourself should have been able to figure it out. "


You still need reading comp. work, friend. I said that I almost reported abuse, but did not, nor have any intentions of doing so now. I just have issues with a phrase that calls for hanging the President that I helped elect in 2000 (thus putting your pathetic "semi-lucid leftist" remark to pasture permanently). I don't agree with everything Bush does (stupid Medicare Socialism, even-worse open-border policy with Mexico during the WoT), but I hardly wish for his demise.



"You do amuse me when you rant about my just starting to care that Iraqi children were being starved by sanctions. Oil for Food was supposed to take care of this, right? Saddam was contained, Oil for Food was providing humanitarian relief, etc etc."


I amuse you? How do I amuse you? Am I funny? Like a clown? (apologies to Joe Pesci) Regardless, I didn't care for the Iraqi people then, nor do I now. I also don't buy all this phony compassion from people today. I don't think many Americans truly 'care' about the Iraqi people, but will say anything to appear 'righteous'.



"As I said, you seem to believe that continuing in a mistake is the best policy, whereas I admit our prior policy was a mistake, and changes needed to be made. "


And as I said, I never once typed here or elsewhere that removing Saddam was a mistake. More reading incomprehensibility on your part. I think we should've removed his ass in 1991.



"So, where am I being inconsitent? "

You're continued, incorrect assumptions that I'm pro-Saddam and leftist, for starters. I despise Al Gore more than I despised Clintax. At least with Clintax, you knew what you were getting, whereas Gore was more of a snake. With a lockbox.


"Pardon for my grammatical mistakes and errors in tense. I had no idea this was a course in English, where I was being graded for what I write. /sarcasm"

Not sure if I pointed out any grammatical errors in your post. I generally avoid that sort of behavior, but if I did, I'm sure your prose deserved it.

[Travis McGee]

ALLIED BOMBERS SLAUGHTER FRENCH FARMERS!

[stylin_geek]

Your original line about selling WMD to Saddam involving prior administrations was a policy mistake. Since rectified.

You "almost" reported me for abuse? Sounds threatening, kind of like my phrase about President Bush being "hung."

[Condor51]

Yes, except at the time we didn't know about Auschwitz or Treblinka, etc. In 1941 I don't even think the rumors about death camps were floating around.

Anyway, the point I attempted to make was that pre dec 7th the mood in the US was to stay out of 'Europe's war'. That's why we had the neutrality act. If Japan didn't attack, Congress would not have declared war on anyone. So just like Clinton IGNORED the War Powers Act with Kosovo, FDR ignored the Neutrality Act. And that's what I meant by 'typical DemoncRAT', laws are for others, not them.

And could you imagine if Bush did that now with Iran or Syria. Just ignore Congress, the War Powers Act and go to war. He'd be impeached the next day.

[catpuppy]

... the post is pretty darned funny (although a bit depressing because it so accurately reflects the opinions of the maim stream press).

It is hilarious and extremely well written.

Don't let the current state of the media depress you. Like all who abuse power, they have become too bloated by arrogance to go unnoticed in what they do. Be glad that in addition to you and I, millions of others have caught on. That's why most major newspapers, CNN and the alphabet networks are losing readers and viewers faster than you can say "What a load of garbage!".

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Law is not justice but process]

"That's why most major newspapers, CNN and the alphabet networks are losing readers and viewers faster than you can say "What a load of garbage!"."

I don't know how to link to it, but see the thread entitled "FOX News Channel Has 56% of Cable News Market." A bit of empirical support for your statement!

[The Electrician]

In addition, Clinton point-man Richard Perle claims he was the one that approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the US.

Um, you meant to say "Richard Clarke" instead of "Richard Perle", didn't you?

[Law is not justice but process]

I suspect we are not in significant disagreement, but just as a matter of form, I will add the following.

We knew Hitler was mistreating Jews and others: Cristal Nacht, mass deportations, ghettos, etc. were well known both from refugee accounts and from first-hand observations by diplomats and travelers. We did not know the scale and degree of Hitler's atrocities, but we knew there were atrocities. Many argued for war based on this limited knowledge. I agree the mood of the nation was to stay out of the war, however. We did "need" to defeat the Nazis, but few Americans wanted to in 1941 (many, such as Charles Lindbergh, probably supported Hitler to a degree).

By the way, Congress declared war on Germany, so they implicitly overruled the Neutrality Act at that point. FDR DID ignore the Neutrality Act when he actively supported the British in the Battle of the Atlantic (remember the Reuben James, sunk in a battle with a German U-Boat in early 1941: not exactly neutrality, but, in my opinion, not exactly wrong either).

[catpuppy]

Thanks. I saw that. Ain't it grand? :>)

[crusty codger]

Me neither. Doesn't change the fact that they received special treatment by our gov't the very day that their brother slaughtered 3000 of us

You are still ignoring the fact that it was at least 9 days later that they were allowed to leave.

Yes we gave Saddam chemical weapons in 1983 who then in time used them against his own people, Big mistake on our part but then again Iran was and is the reason we are fighting today!

:{: crusty

[crusty codger]

My unposted thought's exactly!

[crusty codger]

I don't think many Americans truly 'care' about the Iraqi people, but will say anything to appear 'righteous'

You Sir are an AH!

:{>crusty

[af_vet_1981]

Tuesday's invasion of the European continent by primarily American and British forces may go down in history as the biggest military blunder of all time. The presumptuousness of the invasion's name alone, "Operation Overlord", should have been our first clue as to the state of mind of the people who concocted this foolhardy and now obviously disastrous scheme. As the number of casualties continues to rise, with estimates approaching 50,000 dead and 240,000 wounded, many patriotic Americans are forced to ask if Mr. Roosevelt's preemptive war against the people of Germany has been worth the cost of so many innocent young lives.

For a second there I Pat Buchanan wrote this so we wouldn't help the Jews, the Brits, or the French ...

[af_vet_1981]

For a second there I thought Pat Buchanan wrote this so we wouldn't help the Jews, the Brits, or the French ...

[spodefly]

BUMP

[TheLion]

NATION /
SECTOR
ESTIMATED CASUALTIES

U.S. AIRBORNE 2,499
U.S. / UTAH 197
U.S. / OMAHA 2,000
U.K. / GOLD 413
CAN. / JUNO 1,204
U.K. / SWORD 630
U.K. AIRBORNE 1,500
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE
8,443
REASONABLE
GUESS 9,000 total (of which 3,000 may have been fatalities)