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Why Abu Graib Matters
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/25/163848.shtml ^ | May 25, 2004 | Tammy Bruce

Posted on 05/30/2004 2:57:34 PM PDT by Maria S

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I couldn't find where this had been previously posted.

I always enjoy reading Tammy Bruce's articles (and books). I don't agree with her idea of sexuality (she's a lesbian), but I do think she has an uncommon amount of common sense...and she apparently believes in the death penalty and the right to carry a weapon.

1 posted on 05/30/2004 2:57:35 PM PDT by Maria S
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To: Maria S; Mudboy Slim; FBD
"As of this writing, Army Sgt. Charles A. Graner, Jr., one of the soldiers court martialed, seems to have defined his defense. His lawyer appeared on one of the many news programs last week and explained that Sgt. Graner was ordered to do the things he did by a superior, someone he could only identify as “Big Steve.”

Big Steve, eh?

2 posted on 05/30/2004 3:04:49 PM PDT by sultan88 ("I went down Virginia, seeking shelter from the storm...")
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To: Maria S
an uncommon amount of common sense

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3 posted on 05/30/2004 3:06:21 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Maria S

LOL! The liberals do everything they can, over many decades, to make Americans see the degrading and the disgusting as commonplace and acceptable (*remember "everybody does it?"). Now they're surprised that they can't produce a tsunami of public outrage over guys on leashes with panties on their heads.


5 posted on 05/30/2004 3:19:32 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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Now they're surprised that they can't produce a tsunami of public outrage over guys on leashes with panties on their heads.

Don't fault them for not trying. Once the media learned to spell some version of 'Abu Graib' the daily quota of stories has not relaxed.

You'd think these educated journalists had never been through a fraternity hazing. Cripes, it's not like being beheaded or having your throat slit, you know?. The only difference is that Americans did the stupid panty/leash stuff and no one was hurt, and Muslims did that beheading and throat slitting. Oh well, nevermind, my boss doesn't want that, got to go.....

6 posted on 05/30/2004 3:34:34 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Peach

Have you seen this??


7 posted on 05/30/2004 3:40:38 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher

Thanks for the ping, Molly. And for remembering that I like Tammy Bruce's writing!


8 posted on 05/30/2004 3:44:54 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: xJones

My instantaneous reaction to the first photographs was -- homoerotic sadomasochism -- the Don't Ask, Don't Tell crowd at work. I still think that is what we are seeing.


9 posted on 05/30/2004 3:52:54 PM PDT by edger (A)
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To: Peach

You're very welcome Peach.


10 posted on 05/30/2004 4:04:09 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Maria S

our shocked, just shocked senators,

All the while they are busy raping and pillaging the American populace with their outrageous spending bills. What a bunch of hypocrites.


11 posted on 05/30/2004 4:08:22 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Maria S
I stand in complete agreement with Tammy, and don't personally care what she does outside of writing.

I will add something that could no doubt be taken badly by some....I found some of the photography of the prisoners to be visually stunning. Kudos to the cameraman! My favorite was the photo of the man with his arms suspended and a sack over his head.
If I were to be captured by Islamists and all they did was have me pose naked and embarass me, I'd definitely come away with the feeling not all Islamists are that bad.

12 posted on 05/30/2004 4:23:54 PM PDT by Katya
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"Big Steve, eh?"

Likely story...MUD

13 posted on 05/30/2004 4:27:02 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Maria S

Abu Ghraib was, at most, a two-day wonder. The very graphic pictures of the soldiers having carnal relations was an indictment, not of Abu Ghraib, but of the persons who posed for the pictures.

Al right. They have been detained and relieved of their duty at the prison, and are being held elsewhere. Story over.

Only it's not over. Whatever the thinking was for integrating the genders in every phase of military duties, has to be under reconsideration. Female soldiers are assuredly NOT wholly interchangeable with male soldiers.

There have been females serving in uniform since back in the Second World War, and the problem has always been a nagging one. Well, the experiment was tried, to make females fully equal in every respect to the males beside whom they served. The obvious realities have been largely explored, and the right fix for the current problem would be to separate the male and female contingents along more logical lines befitting their differing roles. There are many, many roles in which females may serve capably and well. Front-line combat and prison guards in all-male prisons are not among them.


14 posted on 05/30/2004 4:27:57 PM PDT by alloysteel (Live well and prosper. Beam me up, Scottie....)
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To: Maria S
I joined the Marine Corps in 1951 and believe me when I say, Abu Graib is nothing compared to what Paris Island was like back then. Guess what, most of us survived and were better for it.

I was never scared or tired until I went to PI and I was not a wimp before going there.

To much has been made of this and wasted way too much time. I'm sure the Army could have handled it just fine without all the other bs and interference.

15 posted on 05/30/2004 4:40:50 PM PDT by depenzz
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To: Maria S

Great article!


16 posted on 05/30/2004 5:22:01 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades...And panties!)
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To: Katya
"...to be visually stunning."

I noticed that right away. I commented on this to a Berkeley liberal who was having a beer next to me at my neighborhood pub. Told him I thought they'd look great on the walls of the Brooklyn Museum and perhaps they should have an exhibit there called "crimes of war."

He wasn't amused. Accused me of being a heartless bastard.

He was a newcomer and hadn't yet heard I was the token conservative there, so I raised my voice excitedly and told him it was puritanical busibodies like him who had persecuted artists like Mapplethorpe and that he'd probably censor the work of a great like Helmut Newton if he could. Suggested he come into the 20th century, then work his way up to the 21st from there. By now, his jaw was clenched, which has always been my cue to move on.

I don't think I made a new friend that day.

17 posted on 05/30/2004 5:34:51 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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"Likely story."

    In other news, Sgt. Charles Graner emerged from his preliminary court martial hearing today, looking pale and badly shaken in the wake of a tense exchange with the examiners. Asked to identify the shadowy and diabolic "Big Steve," he repeatedly refused.

    Said Graner, "I'm not afraid of God, I'm not afraid of this court, but I am afraid of Keyser Steve."


18 posted on 05/30/2004 5:45:38 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Maria S
I don't agree with the author's ideas that anything that we do to these people is okay, but I think much of her commentary is very good. I've sometimes wondered when those who perpetrated these incidents joined the military and whether they would have ever joined or been accepted prior to the 90's when Clinton threw open the doors to a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of recruit. I'm not saying that these people are homosexuals, but I suspect that eight years of Clintonism may have created an atmosphere where high standards of decency and ethics were not considered a vital part of being in the service.

Defining Personal Responsibility
Bill

19 posted on 05/30/2004 6:06:03 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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Mapplethorpe and Newton....exactly. I suppose I qualify as a heartless bitch, if the qualifying characteristic is one who doesn't like to be coerced into "feeling".


20 posted on 05/31/2004 8:19:41 AM PDT by Katya
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