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Bad Cartoons Make Bad Citizens
Tech Central Station ^ | 5/27/04 | Doug Kern

Posted on 05/27/2004 7:25:15 AM PDT by qam1

Bad cartoons tend to make bad citizens. And my generation suffered from the worst cartoons of all. Pity the poor male children of Generation X: there we sat, on Saturday mornings in the '70s and early '80s, clutching our bowls of Count Chocula and enduring the soul-sucking monotony of ugly Filmation cartoons populated by heroes who fought without actually fighting. You could watch cartoons for hours and never see a superhero actually sock a supervillain in the gut, or a commando pump hot lead into a live non-robot terrorist, or a ranger thrust a pointy-sharp arrow into some dragon's malevolent guts. Preachy mini-sermons abounded, though; the Super Friends couldn't lay a gloved fist on Lex Luthor, but they could sure manhandle those sugary in-between-meals snacks. ("Super Friends," they called them, instead of the Justice League. The difference tells you everything you need to know about the seventies.)

Consequently, we Gen Xers grew up achingly bereft of simulated mayhem and destruction. We turned to cap guns, stick fights, and dodgeball to meet our aggressive needs, but it wasn't the same. We craved red meat, but our cartoons served up tofu.

I always assumed that the threat of litigation had driven violence from Saturday morning. After all, if you show Superman frying a supervillain with his heat vision on Saturday morning, then, sure enough, some idiot kid in Dubuque will fry his little brother with heat vision one fine Saturday afternoon, and then everyone loses except the lawyers. But I was wrong. Federal regulators, rather than nervous trial attorneys, wussified Saturday morning TV in the early seventies. Uncle Sam made our cartoons insipid, in the hope that a nice stiff dose of cultural chloroform would deaden our proto-male violent tendencies and transform us all into prissy poindexters who would eat our vegetables, sit still in our seats, and eventually vote for French-speaking politicians.

That same castrating impulse informs much of our society's approach to violence among teens. God help the poor kid who puts a butter knife in his lunchbox, if he attends a school with a zero tolerance weapons policy. If you squirm in class too often, mouth off too regularly, or act like a boy during mandatory androgyny intervals, expect Uncle Ritalin to move in for a permanent stay in the mischief-making corners of your mind, courtesy of America's peerless public school system. Guns? Behold the spectacle of Rosie O'Donnell at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards, exhorting kids to "never touch a gun," lest they get bullet cooties or something. And what about violent video games like Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? That game alone is surely responsible for the surge in motor-scooter car-jackings and golf-club assaults on prostitutes, committed by thugs who dress like Ralph Lauren and talk like Ray Liotta.

In each case, the real or proposed government "solution" is the same: outlaw the offending "violent" matter or regulate it to death. And in each case, the result is the same: violence, the forbidden fruit, is marginalized and thus glamorized, and young men start to suspect that civilized behavior is for girls. Thus the state ties itself in knots trying to fight human nature.

The fight against teen violence often degenerates into a proxy war against young men. Don your bureaucrat-colored glasses and behold teenage males: surly, under-socialized, and enamored of physical mayhem, they're a bad influence on the other genders, and probably ought to be outlawed. No one worries about hordes of marauding teenaged girls holding up 7-11s and shooting up high schools. The problem is boys, says the state; crush the social origins of their boyishness, and solve the problem.

Little boys are aggressive, not because their cartoons make them so, but because their Creator saturated them in testosterone. Is ham-fisted state-sponsored nannying the only way to make citizens out of the little hooligans?

One author has a better idea. In his superb and unfairly overlooked 2002 book, Killing Monsters, former comic book author Gerard Jones proposes that society needs an entirely different approach to the issue of violence in children's entertainment. He suggests that children respond strongly to violent entertainment because the violence mirrors their own feelings of aggression -- and those feelings of aggression are legitimate and worthy of expression. Rather than struggling hopelessly to eliminate childhood aggression, we should teach children to harness and employ aggressive feelings in socially useful ways.

Innumerable examples confirm Jones' point. Consider guns again. Each year, thousands of teenagers learn to employ deadly assault weapons for the explicit purpose of killing people in the most efficient way possible. It's called basic training -- and basic rifle marksmanship is part of basic training for every branch of the military. Does that training and exposure to weapons make teenagers criminals? Obviously not. The discipline attached to that training allows soldiers to use rifles in the patriotic defense of their nation and its values. If our society struggles with teen violence, perhaps the fault lies not with our guns but with the inadequate discipline and malnourished moral imaginations of the teens holding them.

Consider also violent video games. According to Jones, most children know perfectly well that video games aren't reality. Kids understand video games for what they are: caricatured representations of a mock-reality, not reality itself. It's true that some notorious teen monsters (like Klebold and Harris from the Columbine tragedy) enjoyed violent shooting games - but so do most teenaged boys. Most likely those savage young men turned to video games as an outlet for the chaotic impulses that they could not control. Perhaps we should be grateful for games that transform adolescent rage into harmless electronic depictions on a screen. Perhaps transformation can succeed where suppression fails.

Male teenage aggression is a fact, not a problem. And that fact is an embarrassing reminder that sex differences don't permit us to choose everything about ourselves, or about our children. If the aggression of boys is scandalous, then it's easy to see why society is tempted to pretend that teachers and bureaucrats can bind the boyish heart with rules and restrictions. But if we accept that sex differences are something to be celebrated, not denied, then we can get back to the age-old task of taming - but not breaking - the male spirit. If the government wants to help this process, it could start by butting out. Raising men is a job for men, not bureaucrats.

Despite our bad cartoons and the spineless regulators who required them, my generation is finding its way. We produced Pat Tillman. We produced the brave men and women keeping Iraq safe. And we produced Batman, Superman, and Justice League cartoons wherein heroes pound the snot out of bad guys, and damn the FCC. Our cartoons have learned to use violence to promote the greater good. Perhaps we've learned that lesson, too.


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To: general_re
The title of the short you're thinking of is "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips".

They had that one and several others like it on this special that runs on the Cartoon Network occasionally (Had 'Herr meets Hare, the Ductators I think, etc.). I believe the special is an hour long, and it's called "Cartoons at War" or something like that.

CN also does specials or have hours devoted to some of the "classic" cartoonists of the '30s, '40s, etc. and you'll see some of those. Some of them were quite racy (Tex Avery, etc.). You won't find them on the broadcast networks. I never knew just how racy they were until later on when I was older. Most of it went right over my head when I was a kid.

Granted, it's Cartoon Network, they don't exactly show PC kid-fare every evening - they have some cartoons that are very un-PC.

Cartoon Network has also been fighting Warner Brothers and some of the other studios/estates for years, to show some of the un-PC cartoons, and occasionally they win or pull it off in someway that they don't get in trouble legally.

If WB had their way, I think all of those cartoons would have been destroyed.

101 posted on 05/27/2004 11:41:06 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: discostu

I hated the Smurfs. I despised them with every fiber of my teenage being. I wished torturous hot death on them. I hated them more than I hated the freakin' Shmoo, which should tell y'all the depth of my hatred for the Smurfs.


102 posted on 05/27/2004 11:43:39 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes crying, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: qam1

http://www.schlocktoberfest.com/current_columns/foy_0304.html


103 posted on 05/27/2004 11:44:42 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: tiamat

That's my old roommate's puppy, Ralph. He doesn't yap, unless it's deserved.


104 posted on 05/27/2004 11:51:43 AM PDT by rabidralph (EPIC=Extra Pretty in Color)
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To: rabidralph

He's cute!

( and I like him if he doesn't yap...)


105 posted on 05/27/2004 11:55:08 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: atomicpossum; All

atomicpossum wrote:

Are you trying to start a Race war???

Race-ism is one of the most pressing problems we face. To paraphrase Dr. King, I suggest that we be judged by only 'by the content of our cartoon character.'





Actually, I can help you and everybody else determine who their "Inner Toon" is!




This is a fun thing I got in my e-mail. Thought I would share.




I am SpongeBob SquarePants! Who are YOU?



Everyone has the personality of a cartoon character.  Have you ever asked yourself what cartoon character do you most resemble? 

A group of investigators got together and analyzed the personalities of well know modern cartoon characters.  The information that was gathered was made into this test.  
Answer all the questions with what describes you best,
Add up all your points at the end and look for your results.

1) Which one of the following describes the perfect date?
a) Candlelight dinner
b) Fun/Theme Park
c) Painting in the park
d) Rock concert
e) Going to the movies

2) What is your favorite type of music?
a) Rock and Roll
b) Alternative
c) Soft Rock
d) Country
e) Pop

3) What type of movies do you prefer?
a) Comedy
b) Horror
c) Musical
d) Romance
e) Documentary

4) Which one of these occupations would you choose if you only could
choose one of these?
a) Waiter
b) Professional Sports Player
c) Teacher
d) Police
e) Cashier

5) What do you do with your spare time?
a) Exercise
b) Read
c) Watch television
d) Listen to music
e) Sleep

6) Which one of the following colors do you like best?
a) Yellow
b) White
c) Sky Blue
d) Dark Blue
e) Red

7) What do you prefer to eat right now?
a) Snow
b) Pizza
c) Sushi
d) Pasta
e) Salad

8) What is your favorite Holiday?
a) Halloween
b) Christmas
c) New Year
d) Valentines Day
e) Thanksgiving

9) If you could go to one of these places which one would it be?
a) Paris
b) Spain
c) Las Vegas
d) Hawaii
e) Hollywood

10) With which of the following would you prefer to spend time with?
a) Someone Smart
b) Someone attractive
c) Someone who likes to Party
d) Someone who always has fun
e) Someone very sentimental

Now add up your points and find out the answer you have been waiting
for!
1.) a-4 b-2 c-5 d-1 e-3
2.) a-2 b-1 c-4 d-5 e-3
3.) a-2 b-1 c-3 d-4 e-5
4.) a-4 b-5 c-3 d-2 e-1
5.) a-5 b-4 c-2 d-1 e-3
6.) a-1 b-5 c-3 d-2 e-4
7.) a-3 b-2 c-1 d-4 e-5
8.) a-1 b-3 c-2 d-4 e-5
9.) a-4 b-5 c-1 d-4 e-3
10.) a-5 b-2 c-1 d-3 e-4

(10-16 points) You are Garfield: You are very comfortable, easy going,
and you definitely know how to have fun but sometimes you take it to an
extreme.  You always know what you are doing and you are always in
control of your life. Others may not see things as you do, but that
doesn't mean that you always have to do what is right. Try to remember
your happy spirit may hurt you or others.

(18-26 points) You are Snoopy: You are fun, you are very cool and
popular. You always know what's in and you never are out of style. You
are good at knowing how to satisfy everyone else. You have probably
disappeared for a few days more than once but you always come home withthe family values that you earned. Being married and having children
are important to you, but only after you have had your share of fun times.

(22-28 points) You are Arnold: You have lots of friends and you are
alsopopular, always willing to give advice and help out a person in need.
You are very optimistic and you always see the bright side of things.
Some good advice: try not to be too much of a dreamer, if not you will
have many conflicts with life.

(29-34 points) You are Sponge Bob Square Pants:  You are the classic
person that everyone loves. You are the best friend that anyone could
ever have and never want to lose. You never cause harm to anyone and
they would never not understand your feelings. Life is a journey, it's
funny and calm for the most part. Stay away from traitors and jealous
people, then you will be stress free.

(35-42 points) You are Charlie Brown: You are tender, you fall in love
quickly but you are also very serious about all relationships. You are
afamily person. You call your mom every Sunday. You have many friends
andmay occasionally forget a few Birthdays. Don't let your passion confuse you with reality.

(43-50 points) You are Dexter: You are smart and definitely a thinker.
Every situation is fronted with a plan. You have a brilliant mind. You
Demonstrate very strong family principles. Maintain a stable routine
butnever ignore a bad situation when it comes.


( I am Sponge Bob, BTW!)


106 posted on 05/27/2004 11:59:36 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: RightWingAtheist

RightWingAtheist wrote:


Oh man, I just realized that I had the most DEPRIVED childhood imaginable. On Saturday mornings, I had to endure Turbo Teen, Carebears, Snorks, the Monchichis, and, so help me, RUBIK THE AMAZING CUBE, with the guy who played Horseshack on Welcome Back Kotter voicing the titular character. At least Muppet Babies was good.






Eeeeewwwwww.

You poor thing!


107 posted on 05/27/2004 12:02:14 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: qam1

I wasn't really into cartoons, but LOVED both the old Lone Ranger and the Cisco Kid series...


108 posted on 05/27/2004 12:05:45 PM PDT by technochick99
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To: BenLurkin

Yea but Johnny Quest was not a Saturday morning cartoon the original whole first run was as a summer time replacement show in early or pre prime time (7PM) shows like the Flintstones where.

Johnny Quest was adult enough for the whole family to watch with the adult stuff going over the kids heads (remember Race & Jade…)

Oddly the best cartoons were always written for a mix ages audiences …The Bug Bunny and alike cartoons were originally for the movies mix ages audiences

Rocky and Bullwinkle while always for TV had tons of adult stuff in it going over the kids heads….

The best cartoon are not simple pabulum that someone thinks they need to feeds to the kitty for there own good.

There more a tasted of the adult world cut up in to little bites that a kid can digest more and more of at there own pace as they grow up till there ready to move on to the real world


109 posted on 05/27/2004 12:10:27 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: qam1
Nope. Started in the 1970s. Look up ACT - Action for Childrens' Television.

I think that the "edumacational" lesson at the end of GI Joe and He-Man were because there needed to be an "educational" component (something of "value") added on to what was a glorified toy commercial.

110 posted on 05/27/2004 12:13:27 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: af_vet_rr

When Cartoon Network gets around to showing something with as much overt sex, violence, and racism as Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves, get back to me.


111 posted on 05/27/2004 12:14:50 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee
You need to check out the dvd set of Looney Tunes that were released around last Christmas. It's called the Golden Collection or something like that. Outstanding collection of the old cartoons. It has has a ton of vintage footage, and some of the first cartoons made. These include several that won't be seen on tv today.

Another great set you can get are the Tex Avery cartoons on VHS. You can get those unedited, including all the explosions causing black-face and all that. I have 4 videos of his great cartoons. It has everything from Screwy Squirrel, Droopy, Spike, and that Confederate Wolf that always whistled that funny dixie song. "Real cool maaaan."

Luckily I have a copy of Song of the South that I got in London about 10 years ago. I need to get that thing transferred to DVD so I can keep a good copy of it. I remember seeing that when I was a child (I'm 27 now). I think it's a great show and a wonderful story.

112 posted on 05/27/2004 12:15:18 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: af_vet_rr
We love Cartoon Network. "Family Guy" is one of our fave shows, and where else can you see Space Ghost? Much less Space Ghost interviewing Mike Judge?

I almost hurt myself laughing when Judge said, "Boy, it doesn't get any better than this!" as Hank Hill, Beavis, Butt-Head, Mr. Buzzcut, Mr. Van Driesen, and Principal McVicker.
113 posted on 05/27/2004 12:15:54 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes crying, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: tophat9000
You are correct. Unfortunately today's prime-time cartoons like the Simpsons aren't really appropriate fare for kids at all anymore. There are a few gags that may go over kids heads (like when 2 words are used in succession to say something obscene that they normally couldn't say on tv). These are more than enuendo or double entendres.

At what point did "adult" humor change to only mean dirty jokes?

114 posted on 05/27/2004 12:18:03 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: GOPyouth
I might add that you can get the old Tom and Jerry cartoons on DVD undedited. Those were some of my favorite. These are all the cartoons from around 1940-1950.

They all have the maid that beats Thomas, Jerry's uncle that plays the guitar and sings Froggy Went a Courtin', and a ton of other great clips.

115 posted on 05/27/2004 12:19:01 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: GOPyouth
I've got the Complete Tex Avery laserdisc boxed set (it even includes Uncle Tom's Cabana although Turner almost didn't release it). It has all the MGM Avery shorts (there are still WB shorts and Universal's Chilly Willy shorts needed to be "complete").

There is a complete Tex Avery DVD set but it is only available from France. I don't know if the French subtitles are forced on or if you can turn them off (you would also need an R2 or Region Free, PAL capable DVD player; I have one but have held off on this DVD set).

116 posted on 05/27/2004 12:21:19 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: GOPyouth
Ah, but which maid? Mammy Two-Shoes? The white (Irish?) woman? And which voice does she have (sometimes they were released to video with the wrong overdub soundtracks!).

Cartoon censorship has been big since 1968 (I am talking about re-editing the old cartoons).

117 posted on 05/27/2004 12:23:27 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Brett66
I could never get past the premise of them raising the Imperial Japanese Battleship "IJN Yamato" and making it a spaceship ….The U.S. Navy sunk that tub in WW2 and by jim it should stay sunk:>


118 posted on 05/27/2004 12:23:53 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: weegee

It's sad these classic cartoons aren't being released in America. The Tex Avery shorts are HI-larious. You can't go wrong with the Swing Shift Cinderella cartoon with the old wrinkled Godmother knocking back that big ass martini glass with one gulp. heh heh :)


119 posted on 05/27/2004 12:25:40 PM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: GOPyouth
Disney permitted Song Of The South to be released to laserdisc in Japan and Hong Kong and to VHS in England and Ireland. I don't know where else it was released.

This shows that Disney's suppression of this film is because of protests in America; they seem to stand behind the film as a corporation in other countries where it does not draw any outrage.

Now that DVD permits any nation's media to be viewed in America (region blocking and PAL/NTSC are really such minute matters), I don't see Disney Corp. ever permitting Song Of The South to be issued again. And for those who say they don't like the scenes of happy singing slaves, this film takes place AFTER the civil war.

120 posted on 05/27/2004 12:27:02 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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