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CA freepers, RED ALERT Thread 2
Alliance for America ^ | May 2, 2004 | Rose Comstock

Posted on 05/27/2004 6:11:18 AM PDT by forester

Sierra Conservancy bills - Gov needs to hear from you

DATE: MAY 2, 2004

TO: ALL GRASSROOTS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS . . . . . . . . . . . (PLEASE SHARE WITH YOUR LIST OF CONTACTS)

FROM: ROSE COMSTOCK - PRESIDENT - ALLIANCE FOR AMERICA           www.allianceforamerica.org

WHAT:    Wednesday of this week the California Assembly Appropriations Committee approved two bills that would establish a Sierra Nevada Conservancy.

Governor Schwarzenegger has indicated that he intends to create a Sierra Nevada Conservancy during his first term in office. These two bills-AB 1788 and AB 2600-present radically different ways of doing so.

AB 2600 by Assemblyman Laird (D-Santa Cruz) would give Sierra residents virtually no say in the conservancy's operations. In contrast, AB 1788 by Assemblyman Leslie (R-Tahoe City) would create an entirely new type of conservancy. It would ensure that a large portion of the conservancy board is comprised of locally-elected officials, and it would give local communities the right to say "no" to projects they find objectionable.

Yesterday, however, staff members of the Appropriations Committee removed the parts of AB 1788 that gave local communities a "veto" power over objectionable projects.

Assemblyman Leslie has stated unequivocally that he will actively oppose any Conservancy language that does not provide local communities a point of real leverage in the decision-making process. If he cannot amend AB 1788 and return meaningful local influence to the bill, he wishes to "assure the residents of the Sierra that he will drop his own bill and actively oppose any attempts at creation of a conservancy-regardless of the possibility that AB 2600 may become the law of California."

ACTION: There is only a small window of opportunity to generate pressure to reinstate language that ensures strong local voice in the conservancy decision-making process! Both bills are headed for the Assembly Floor next week. Governor Schwarzenegger, the Resources Agency, and members of the Assembly need to hear from you! Governor Schwarzenegger can still intervene, but he will only do that if he gets strong pressure from all of us.  Make your calls beginning Monday, May 24th, send your faxed letter and emails all next week until a vote occurs.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger http://www.governor.ca.gov/state/govsite/gov_homepage.jsp State Capitol Building Sacramento, CA 95814 Phone: 916-445-2841 Fax: 916-445-4633 governor@governor.ca.gov

Secretary of Resources Mike Chrisman

California Resources Agency Sacramento, CA 95812-2815 Phone: (916) 653-5656 (916) 653-8102 fax http://resources.ca.gov/

          Assistant to the Secretary for Resources:           Cynthia J. Paulsen           Cyndy.Paulsen@Resources.Ca.Gov

Members of the State Assembly

To find your State Assembly member: http://www.assembly.ca.gov/

TALKING POINTS:

  • Any proposed conservancy gives us cause for serious concern. Countless problems have been created in our region by state employees with no accountability to the people and little connection to the areas their decisions impact. Like the Governor, it is our desire to see government become more responsive and connected to the people, not less so.
  • If there is to be a Sierra Nevada Conservancy, it must be built upon respect for and collaboration with the people who live in the Sierra.
  • Such a conservancy can be established only if its design requires collaborative decision-making. The Conservancy board must contain strong representation from the Sierra region, and, more importantly, any major board action must be based upon general consensus with local elected officials.
  • Local governments are responsible for local land use planning and decisions, and are held accountable by their constituents for such decisions. Unless local government has the ability to say "no" to conservancy acquisitions it finds objectionable, the conservancy will have the power to approve acquisitions with no local oversight.
  • Giving local communities a true voice would be unique for a conservancy. However, any conservancy stretching across the entire Sierra Nevada would be unique. No existing conservancy contains the vast area, diverse sub-regions, and varied land uses encompassed by the Sierras.
  • The best government efforts always draw from the perspective, volunteerism, and commitment of local communities. By ensuring the conservancy only undertakes projects embraced by local communities, we can create the goodwill and trust critical to effective efforts.
  • In addition, a new conservancy must not be funded on the backs of taxpayers. How can Sacramento lawmakers justify crating another agency in the business of buying up more land, while the state is dealing with a severe budget deficit affecting education, healthcare, fire protection and other vital services? Unless its funding is drawn from existing conservation programs, new conservancy would only add to the existing budget burden the state is facing.

Background:

http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset2text.htm - AB1788 Leslie This bill creates the Sierra Nevada Conservancy (SNC) in the Resources Agency, with a governing board consisting of 20 voting members and three non-voting members, to acquire, and direct the management, of public lands located primarily within the "Core Sierra Nevada Region."

http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/acsframeset2text.htm - AB2600 Laird  This bill creates the Sierra Nevada Conservancy (SNC) in the Resources Agency, with a governing board consisting of seven voting members and three non-voting members to undertake activities that encourage tourism and recreation, protect, conserve, and restore the region's resources, reduce the risk of natural disaster, protect water quality, help local economies, identify high priority projects for funding, enhance public use and enjoyment of public lands, and advance environmental preservation and economic well-being.

http://forests.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=31721

In the Heights of Sierra, It's Hard to Give an Inch Source: Copyright 2004, LA Times Date: May 16, 2004 Byline: Julie Cart, Times Staff Writer

The Sierra Nevada's rural communities share more than 400 miles of the granite mountain range and an unswerving conviction that the region should not be dictated to from afar.

But that independent streak threatens to scuttle a five-year effort to create a Sierra Nevada Conservancy, which could funnel millions of dollars to the economically depressed region while protecting its vaunted scenery and natural resources.

Two bills in the Assembly that would create a conservancy could be defeated as a result of the region's reluctance to cede authority to outsiders and because of fear that too much land will be put off-limits to hunting, fishing, livestock grazing and other traditional activities.

Originally posted at: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-me-sierra16may16,1,6491835.story?coll=la-news-environment



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1788; ab2600; conservancy; dougmcintyre; governmentstupidity; kabc; sierraconservancy; sierranevada; socialism
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To: Seadog Bytes; farmfriend
Seadog: That is really good letter..... very well written.

Hey FF, what about sending out a ping for review of this really well thought out letter?

21 posted on 05/27/2004 10:54:36 PM PDT by forester ( An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: ExSoldier
After the warning of new terrorism fears I'd be real careful about putting the label RED ALERT on anything, at least through the elections.

What would you suggest as an appropriate title that conveys the message that socialist legislation threatens our way of life?

22 posted on 05/27/2004 10:58:08 PM PDT by forester ( An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester
"What would you suggest as an appropriate title that conveys the message that socialist legislation threatens our way of life?"

I dunno. Business as usual? BTDT, again? BOHICA Alert? (Bend Over, Here It Comes Again). LOTS of possibilities. I was just being sincere that a lot of folks are going to associate the words RED ALERT with a sudden terrorist threat for the rest of the summer.

Then it can go back to business as usual, if none of our cities are glowing piles of radioactive slag or nobody has been hit with a Nerve Agent or the Jihadists haven't shot to pieces all the sheeple in all our shopping malls, thus triggering the Executive Orders and a FEMA fascist style government.

"LEGISLATION that threatens our way of life?" In the face of more death and attacks? Please. Chill, and put your reloading press into high gear.

23 posted on 05/28/2004 3:41:35 AM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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To: Seadog Bytes; Carry_Okie; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; knews_hound; ...
See post #20 for a really good letter. Morning bump.
24 posted on 05/28/2004 9:28:54 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


25 posted on 05/28/2004 9:31:27 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: CalifornianConservative; calcowgirl; hedgetrimmer; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; forester; marsh2
The bills, including Leslie's, have all moved to the Senate. They are in the Rules committe awaiting assignment. Once they are assigned a committee, we need to bombard the committee to try to kill them there.

California Conservative, can you repost that info about which radio show to call? Calcowgirl, show seems to be in your end of the state. Maybe we can get you to call when you get back in town.

26 posted on 05/28/2004 9:39:53 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

 

Call up Doug McIntyre on KABC talk radio in Los Angeles from midnight to three or four am with this red alert. 1 800 222 5222!

Also John and Ken show on KFI talk radio in Los Angeles in the afternoon.


27 posted on 05/28/2004 9:58:15 AM PDT by CalifornianConservative (Two legs good - George Orwell)
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To: CalifornianConservative

Oh, thank you so much. It is vitally important that we get information out about these state killer bills.


28 posted on 05/28/2004 10:00:39 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: forester

>>What would you suggest as an appropriate title that conveys the message that socialist legislation threatens our way of life?<<

Tape a 30-06 round to the top of the page.


29 posted on 05/28/2004 10:13:19 AM PDT by B4Ranch (“If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison-Dwight Eisenhower-12/8/49)
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To: Seadog Bytes; farmfriend; forester
I like it... However, your excellent next to last paragraph proves that even support for Leslie's version is almost equally as unnecessary and nonsensical! I suppose you're trying to be subtle and say that and to say it without coming right out and saying it, thereby hurting the Governor's feelings. At least I hope that is the case!!!

Nonetheless, It's a good letter and hopefully would be pursuasive, even if overly recognizing the possibility of a compromise in an area that should not be compromised at all.

30 posted on 05/28/2004 10:24:19 AM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Have you seen this Bee article. I'm going to use it to bring AB 2631 to the attention of the Bee. I've also used it to bring this bill to the attention of the "green" Grange that is up your way. This poisoning thing will be all over the state if this bill passes. I can't imagine the left wants that.
31 posted on 05/28/2004 10:37:20 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Afternoon bump.


32 posted on 05/28/2004 12:21:46 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: SierraWasp

RE: "...next to last paragraph..."
Thank you. Just trying to lend a hand.

Yeah, I guess that paragraph WAS kind of from the "Tell me how you *REALLY* feel !!!" files... (Does anybody know off hand what percentage of the land area of the state is *ALREADY* state-owned [or state-controlled through 'conservation-easements, and the like]...???)

I doubt that the Guv will really 'get' it, or ACT on it even if he does, but we gotta 'dance with the gal what's brung us' and, while he is certainly not without warts, he is never-the-less...:

1.) Way better than ol' Gray, and
2.) Obviously a pragmatist, else he would NEVER be Guv in THIS state, with it's Left-of-Lenin political environment.

...Hmmm...kinda like Bush, I guess.

Perhaps we should ask one of THESE Great Ladies to whip up a fire...er...letter... or two 'for the cause'... They certainly do not seem to be 'without talent' for that sort of thing...

"The bureaucrats, who seize and dole out other people's assets, initially see themselves as humanitarians. Eventually, they conclude they are indeed superior to others, and treat themselves accordingly. They make laws to which they are not subject; they vote themselves and their wards privileges and benefits. They no longer serve; they rule a nation of the government, by the government and for the government. --Linda Bowles

"Never underestimate the ability of unelected bureaucrats to overturn the expressed will of the people if it threatens their power." --Linda Chavez

"Tax cuts aren't something you pay for. It's less money for the government to spend." --Ann Coulter


33 posted on 05/28/2004 1:56:36 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ('Smart Growth'...ISN'T !!!)
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To: farmfriend
Thank you. You are most kind. (My REAL name is 'Don Quixote'... All my [Liberal] friends are always telling me to 'get over it !!!) Just trying to help out... (Rationale: To paraphrase... "When The Coastal Commission came for the people who lived by the coast, I didn't say anything, because I didn't live by the coast...)

Somehow, the 'right-minded' folks in this state HAVE to find a way to help each other. A letter or two now and then, seems precious little to ask...

Other (better) minds might say...

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." --Edmund Burke

"The government solution to a problem is usually (at least) as bad as the problem." --Milton Friedman

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H.L. Mencken

34 posted on 05/28/2004 2:31:19 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ('Smart Growth'...ISN'T !!!)
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To: forester
Thank you. You are most kind but......except for the second to last paragraph (discussed earlier on this thread) most of it was 'plagiarized' from the 'talking points' provided earlier, and I just tried to kind of string 'em together. (...and I'm not sure they 'read' 'em anyway, other than just enough to be able to put them into the "pro-" or "con" stacks...)

What I WAS hoping to provide, was something all together in a one-page letter format, with the needed headings and fax numbers, so that others (who would perhaps otherwise find the organization of something to send a more daunting task) might easily download it, then be able cut/paste it into something THEY might like to send off to the Guv, themselves.

I suspect it's really 'all about the numbers'...

35 posted on 05/28/2004 2:53:29 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ('Smart Growth'...ISN'T !!!)
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To: Seadog Bytes
(Does anybody know off hand what percentage of the land area of the state is *ALREADY* state-owned [or state-controlled through 'conservation-easements, and the like]...???)

Between local govs,state and feds, it was nearing 52% in 1998. I am sure its waaaay more than that now.
36 posted on 05/28/2004 6:41:56 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: CalifornianConservative
I'm back!

Before I left, I sent email to Schwarzenegger, and my Assemblycritter. I also filled out the "send a message to author of bill" forms on LegInfo stating my objection to the bills, accessible HERE (AB2600) and HERE (AB1788). I encourage all to do the same... it takes about 2 minutes.

Re: radio, I did send the entire Rose Comstock email to Doug McIntyre with a "PLEASE HELP..." message. He has been running a one-man assault on the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy on his show and he set up a website (JoeMustGo) trying to oust the head of SMMC. He is not unfamiliar with Conservancy issues (unfortunately, he never seems to respond to email).

I don't listen to John and Ken... so someone who does might be better versed in appealing to their sense of broadcast importance. I do listen to Larry Elder (KABC). I think he might be enticed to help. He is a reformed libertarian (and attorney). He might embrace the issue and address it. I'll email him some info with a plea.

37 posted on 05/28/2004 6:59:05 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Seadog Bytes
Thank you for lending a hand and a good one at that!!!

Unfortunately Linda Bowles can't help as she's gone to her reward. She lasted almost a year after the death of her beloved husband. Sad to the maximum!!! She was one of our favorite heroins!!!

The bureaucrats and most of the legislature in this state make us all suffer from their insolence in office.

Pragmatism is certainly better than Communism, but certainly is hard on basic principles of freedom. But, it does play well in bizzare politics until a real leader can be found to communicate the benefits to society of true principled leadership and make the public want it, like Ronauldus Maximus.(sigh)

38 posted on 05/28/2004 7:16:04 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: farmfriend

Hay! Better fishing through chemistry, right? (/sourchasm)


39 posted on 05/28/2004 7:23:04 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Seadog Bytes
Government land by state

All values are in thousands (000's) of acres except %'s and ranks.

California - Total area of the state 99,822.70
Total Area Owned by State and Federal Gov'ts 52,085.90
% of State's Total Area %52.1
Owned by Federal Gov't. 49,842.30
% of State's Tot. Area %49.9
Owned by State 2,243.60
% of State's Tot. Area %2.2

40 posted on 05/28/2004 8:37:52 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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