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To: 2banana

You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?


18 posted on 05/26/2004 5:52:30 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend; 2banana
Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?

They ain't ordered by Gd, but byAllah or his profit Mo.
22 posted on 05/26/2004 6:00:05 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?

Yes, absolutely, well put. BUT, there is still a fundamental difference. Christianity does not teach and sanction death for unbelievers. Islam does.

24 posted on 05/26/2004 6:03:40 AM PDT by Drawsing (I want my fo'ty fo' cents! ...Porky from "The Little Rascals")
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To: Atlantic Friend
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians.

Really?

Give me some of these "many examples." Something not from the middle ages. Something along the lines of today's arab muslims in the Sudan killing, raping and enslaving millions of black Christians. Or what the muslims or doing to Christians in Indonesia. Or the muslim slaughter of Christians during church services in Pakistan. Or the beheadings of "infidels" while chanting "God is Great." Or the bombing of trains. Or the destruction of office towers. And all done in the name of their "religion"

27 posted on 05/26/2004 6:06:28 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Atlantic Friend
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?

Where? In France? in Spain? in America? in the UK? Don't talk rot. Name one place where there is ChristianMuslim fights and theChristian community isn't continuously on the defensive? Nigeria, Pakistan, indonesia, the Phillipines etc.
30 posted on 05/26/2004 6:09:54 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Atlantic Friend
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?

Name any atrocity committed by self-described Christians, and you will not only fail to find that atrocity supported by the words of Christ, you will likely find the atrocity condemned by His words.

Now, try that excercise with Mohammedan atrocities and the words of Mohammed.

Start with my tagline. Think: Nicholas Berg.


78 posted on 05/26/2004 7:13:13 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Atlantic Friend
"You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians. Does that make Christianty a criminal religion ? Are these killings ordered by God, G-d or Allah, or are they ordered by mortal men who find in religion a useful tool to further their own very earthly goals ?"

I assume you mean some of the much-hyped events of the Middle Ages such as the Inquisition and Crusades. You would be suprised to learn I'm sure that what you think you know about those events is largely fictious

There is some very good actual history here

On the Crusades:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

On the Inquistion:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm

Someone spoke of burning alive, the correct term is Holocaust, and here's what it actually means:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07396b.htm

I don't blame you for being ignorant. I came up in the same secular humanist public school system. I was fed the same relativistic crap that Islam, Judiasm and Christianity are all the same. However it's time to snap out of it and wake up to the true nature of our enemy.

83 posted on 05/26/2004 7:21:12 AM PDT by kjvail
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To: Atlantic Friend

A misguided individual can kill in the name of Christ, his Mother, his wife or anyone really, but that doesn't mean he has permission to kill. Christ did not call for us to kill non-believers. He called upon us to try to save them ...if we could.


85 posted on 05/26/2004 7:22:27 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Atlantic Friend
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians.

BullS***

Post em. And they don't get to be instances of Christians or others defending themselves against the Islamic mtastitism...

111 posted on 05/26/2004 8:32:33 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Atlantic Friend
"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger"-The Prophet Muhammad (Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13)

"Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword."-The Prophet Muhammad (Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11)

"When the sacred months elapse, kill those who associate other gods with God, wherever you find them"-The Prophet Muhammad (Surah 9:5)

A "Religion of Peace"? Sure.

114 posted on 05/26/2004 8:39:10 AM PDT by Gritty ("Equality is unacceptable to Islam. The non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer-Amir Taheri)
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To: Atlantic Friend

You keep making excuses for Islam, and you French will in one more generation become Algeria number 2...you go to Alegeria to bring French culture to the savages and in end it is you who become those savages....maybe in 20-30 years, we Orthodox will lead crusade to bring Christian faith back to dark age, savages of EU?


143 posted on 05/26/2004 10:21:25 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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