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Muslim prayer call likely to be on city's ballot
The Detroit Free Press | May 25, 2004 | Cecil Angel

Posted on 05/25/2004 8:27:49 AM PDT by wmichgrad

Tonight, petitions could stall Muslim prayer call

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/call25_20040525.htm


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: catholic; hamtramck; muslim; muslims; prayer
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To: wmichgrad

Gee how nice, not before 6am you say when most other noise ordinacnes apply until 9am?

To hell with them, how about not at all.


21 posted on 05/25/2004 8:39:12 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: wmichgrad
Christians are called to preach the Gospels and to covert non-believers and have been doing so for 2000 years. I fail to see how listening to the call to prayer is trying to convert anyone to become a Muslim.

Xians also don't do the Danny Pearl when you don't convert, either.

When the Jehovah's come knocking at my door, I politely send them on their way, secure in the knowledge that they won't firebomb my car in the driveway. I get no such assurances from those who drove aircraft into The Towers and killed innocent Americans.

The word, "Christian", means, "Christ-like". The word, "Islam", means "Submission". I will not surrender.

22 posted on 05/25/2004 8:39:14 AM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

I agree - no allah akbar here, go back to the sandtrap for that crap


23 posted on 05/25/2004 8:39:45 AM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Now Kent, you calm down, boy. Been readin' that Bat Ye'or girl , now haven' cha?


24 posted on 05/25/2004 8:40:03 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: wmichgrad

When church bells ring in MECCA!


25 posted on 05/25/2004 8:40:24 AM PDT by Khuey
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To: wmichgrad

If they can't figure out when to pray that's not this 81 yr old ladies fault. What's the matter are they afraid some of the Religion of Peace adherrants might actually figure out the big LIE.


26 posted on 05/25/2004 8:40:55 AM PDT by marty60
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To: All

"Allah is most Great"


***hurls***


27 posted on 05/25/2004 8:41:05 AM PDT by Rushgrrl (....as Kerry waits to see what the majority thinks before speaking out....)
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To: johniegrad
You totally missed my point. If the call is so loud that it violates the city's noise ordinance, then I agree that it should not be broadcast. But for people, specifically Christians who have been pushing Christianity on others for centuries, to say that they shouldn't have to listen to this or that because it's not their religion is hypocritical. It violates freedom of religion and speech in that those who oppose based on those types of arguments want the city to disallow the call based on those arguments, not on the noise issue.
28 posted on 05/25/2004 8:41:54 AM PDT by wmichgrad
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To: 1066AD
Would Christian churches be permitted to ring bells five times a day starting at 5am ?

Maybe a better analogy would be Gregorian Chant. And as beautiful as I think it is (as distinct from the caterwauling of the call to prayer by the Muslims), still I wouldn't want to be disturbed from my slumber with a heavy dose of plainsong over a loud speaker.

29 posted on 05/25/2004 8:43:02 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: RolandBurnam

EXACTLY!! This is why it should not be allowed. period.

Noise, shmoise.


30 posted on 05/25/2004 8:43:02 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: wmichgrad

I didn't miss your point. Please answer the questions.


31 posted on 05/25/2004 8:43:21 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: All
. . Let the Catholic Churches start broadcasting the "Our Father" all day over loudspeakers... see who complains then.
. .
32 posted on 05/25/2004 8:44:06 AM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: wmichgrad
"If the call is so loud that it violates the city's noise ordinance, then I agree that it should not be broadcast."

That was already determined. It was. They received a WAIVER so that they wouldn't have to obey the noise ordinance.

33 posted on 05/25/2004 8:44:11 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: wmichgrad

If you think the Mohammedans wanted this just to "call their faithful" to prayer, you're dead wrong.

This is an "in your face" message by the Mohammedan community to America.

Simply read the account of the Mohammedans who were instrumental in getting this ordinance passed (paraphrase): "This is the first step. Today it's here, tomorrow, all of America will be hearing our call to prayer."

The message is: Islam is your future.


34 posted on 05/25/2004 8:44:31 AM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Actually, I think broadcasting the Apostles Creed would be the nearest equivalent.


35 posted on 05/25/2004 8:44:37 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: paul51
If they want to call people, let them use the phone.

In oil-affluent Arab nations, that is how many people receive their call to prayer.
36 posted on 05/25/2004 8:45:51 AM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: wmichgrad

They can have their loudspeaker call to prayer, as soon as they allow non-denominational christian prayers at the breakfast tables of military schools in Virginia.

How's that? reasonable enough?


37 posted on 05/25/2004 8:47:58 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (You make me feel warm all over. No...wait...I'm soaking in a puddle of my own urine.)
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To: johniegrad

There was only one question and I did answer it.


38 posted on 05/25/2004 8:48:21 AM PDT by wmichgrad
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To: wmichgrad
Are you a Muslim?

Just asking...

39 posted on 05/25/2004 8:48:36 AM PDT by Klaus D. Deore
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To: CatoRenasci
Actually, I think broadcasting the Apostles Creed would be the nearest equivalent.

You're probably right.

I always thought Allah must be a rather puny third-rate God (if he could even be considered a god at all), as he's so darned insecure-- has to be prayed to 5 times a day-- women are subserviant to men ... etc. Makings of a boy's only death cult. Not very advanced or enlightened.

40 posted on 05/25/2004 8:49:29 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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