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A Free-State Project for Christians?
Christian Exodus ^ | ??? | ???

Posted on 05/24/2004 8:27:41 PM PDT by oblomov

ChristianExodus.org has been established to coordinate the move of 50,000 or more Christians to a single conservative state in the U.S. for the express purpose of reestablishing constitutional governance. It is evident that our Constitution has been abandoned under our current federal system. The efforts of Christian activism have proven futile over the past five decades and, whereas desperate times require desperate measures, we are now in the most desperate of times. The federal government is considering whether marriage, the foundation of civilization since Creation, should be reserved solely to a man and a woman. Christians must now draw a line in the sand and unite in a sovereign state to dissolve our bond with the current union comprised as the United States of America.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianexodus; constitution; likelyhoax; likelyruse
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I'm a conservative libertarian, myself, but find radical solutions like this interesting.
1 posted on 05/24/2004 8:27:48 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
Christians need to be among the lions to witness to them. I do My Savior no good if I run away and stay with other Christians all the time.
2 posted on 05/24/2004 8:31:45 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: oblomov

You must differentiate between nominal (in name only) Christians and true, born-again, conservative Christians. There are many who claim to be Christian who go to church, sing, clap, shout, dance and then go into the voting booth and vote for a party and/or a candidate who supports killing little unborn babies and homosexual marriage. Why? They like being on the dole. They don't want to lose their food stamps and disability checks etc. that they get from the government. The biggest disability most of them have is being too fat, too lazy or their brains are fried from years of drug use before the became a "Christian".

Sorry my friend but you can't depend on many who claim to be a follower of Christ; only those who choose morality over money.


4 posted on 05/24/2004 8:36:09 PM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: oblomov

Sounds like 'Atlas Shrugged' plus religion.


5 posted on 05/24/2004 8:44:30 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: oblomov

Perhaps, in this way, we Christians can escape persecution, as they did in the beginning of this Nation.


6 posted on 05/24/2004 8:46:21 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: oblomov
Given the events of 1860, I think this group's choice of SC was unfortunate.

These secession movements are all the result of the left's dismantling of the constitution starting in the 1930's. We had a federal system where folks with very very different ideas about how to live could co-exist in the same country by living in different states. The states exercised most all government policy setting roles.

But the left had to impose it's little agenda on everyone--whether they liked it or not. The Feds now set most important policy issues in the nation and it ain't optional. So it's no longer possible to escape the left by changing states. They are everywhere.

The libertarian NH project and the Christian SC project are just symptoms of the Red/Blue split where federalism no longer exists as a real check on the power of the feds.

Evangelical Christians show no signs of going away (we are growing as a percent of the population). So unless the blue states change, or the feds back off, there will be more and more pressure for this type of solution as time goes by.

Eventually, some lefty (my top candidate is she-whose-name-may-not-be-spoken) will declare an national emergency, suspend elections, and start confiscating weapons from the population. Then this will all be real.

Splitting up the US would probably be a disaster. The left coast nation and the east coast nation would go over the cliff with a welfare state and destroy their economies. The rest of us would do just fine. But it would be hard to seal the border between, say, California and Nevada and the losers from the left coast would fill up the productive states and we would be back to the same mess. Meanwhile, China and the Muslims would end up striking alliances with the coasts against productive America. It would be a mess. Not only that, all indications are that the California central valley would prefer to join productive America--not LA and SF. The war for control of the central valley (America's top agricultural producer) would, by itself, be horrible.

And, back to history, the same problem would raise it's ugly head from the Civil War. Who controls the Mississippi?

7 posted on 05/24/2004 8:47:05 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: oblomov

What are their beliefs in regard to alchoal and related matters? I find no mention on there website. I ask because this is something that a lot of churches are unable to agree on.


8 posted on 05/24/2004 8:47:53 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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This is not the American way at all and is to say the least a very poor idea. When Americans face hardship, do we give up and run for shelter? This organization is unpatriotic and anti American and an embarrassment if they really do have more than 12 wackos involved -- which I doubt not counting this guy's kids and dog. Want to stop abortion? All we have to do is have Christian all vote against it. Problem is, a whole bunch of of them vote for the Democrats. A better solution is to educate the Christians to vote right.
9 posted on 05/24/2004 9:10:26 PM PDT by garjog
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To: oblomov

In reality, there is no safe place on this planet. It's like the Pilgrims moving around Europe before finally settling in North America. North America was far enough removed that they could get away from the problem (for a short time). The only place to go is another planet or the moon.


10 posted on 05/24/2004 9:22:08 PM PDT by ryanjb2
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To: ModelBreaker

If that happens, the coasts will probally be occuppied with Troops from the productive Americas.

I can't see the coasts having any troops other than blue helmets.

May be the prelude to the Dragon's fury with the chinese and Islam.


11 posted on 05/24/2004 9:23:02 PM PDT by John Will
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To: InvisibleChurch

Our nation is sinking in the secular cesspool precisely because we Christians have 'run away from our responsibilities' for too long now. Do we still have sufficient numbers such that going to the polls and voting the secular driven democrat socialist from office can be accomplished? ... Not a rhetorical question, that.


12 posted on 05/24/2004 9:27:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Well perhaps you remember talk of such a project for libertarians. Still, I don't understand why we can't hold our public servants to their oath of office that they have already taken.
13 posted on 05/24/2004 9:27:50 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: Bogie

bump


14 posted on 05/24/2004 9:35:25 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: garjog
? All we have to do is have Christian all vote against it. Problem is, a whole bunch of of them vote for the Democrats. A better solution is to educate the Christians to vote right.

So voting makes all ok, huh.

I'd rather be free than vote.

15 posted on 05/24/2004 9:37:42 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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Still, I don't understand why we can't hold our public servants to their oath of office that they have already taken.

Because there are no penalties for unconstitutional acts.

16 posted on 05/24/2004 9:38:35 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: oblomov

If they came to Alaska, we would be rock-solid Republican for several generations. The impact would be enormous up here.


17 posted on 05/24/2004 9:39:00 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: ModelBreaker

"Evangelical Christians show no signs of going away (we are growing as a percent of the population)."

What percentage of the Evangelical Christians of America:
a) Are registered to vote?
b) Take the time to vote if they are registered?
c) Dare to go against family Democratic party tradition and vote conservative?

They COULD BE the strongest voting bloc in America.


18 posted on 05/24/2004 9:46:48 PM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: oblomov

Could we make it a state with little or no snow?


19 posted on 05/24/2004 9:52:01 PM PDT by Redbob (still hoping for the "self-illuminating glass-bottomed parking lot" solution to the Iraq problem)
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To: garjog
"This is not the American way at all..."

Here's my nomination for the most ironic post on this thread!

How do you suppose this nation got started?

20 posted on 05/24/2004 9:54:49 PM PDT by Redbob (still hoping for the "self-illuminating glass-bottomed parking lot" solution to the Iraq problem)
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