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Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Has Hollywood Buzzing
Reuters ^ | 5-23-04

Posted on 05/23/2004 8:51:33 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The White House calls the film "outrageously false," but Hollywood is hot for "Fahrenheit 9/11," documentary filmmaker Michael Moore's caustic broadside at President Bush.

A day after the film won the top Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival in France, industry observers on Sunday predicted the controversial movie would be a box office hit, even if some early reviews have hardly been favorable.

"I think it will be hugely successful," said D.A. Pennebaker, veteran documentary director whose films include the Oscar-nominated 1992 election campaign saga "The War Room." "It's going to get a lot of publicity."

In "Fahrenheit 9/11," Moore takes aim at Bush's handling of Iraq and the war on terror and traces links between the Bush family and prominent Saudis including the family of Osama bin Laden. It was greeted with a rapturous standing ovation at its Cannes world premiere, but not everyone was impressed.

Dan Barlett, the White House communications director, was quoted by the New York Times last week as saying of the film "it is so outrageously false, it's not even worth comment."

Also critical was the review in the entertainment industry journal Daily Variety which called the film a "blatant cinematic 2004 campaign pamphlet" and said it "fails to provide any hard facts or make any incriminating connections that a reasonably informed person doesn't already know about."

That may not matter to the fans of the man behind "Roger & Me," and the anti-gun documentary "Bowling for Columbine." Moore, in fact, laid the groundwork for "Fahrenheit 9/11" a year ago when he accepted the Oscar for "Columbine," and launched into a tirade against Bush on worldwide television.

A few weeks ago he was back in the news again, complaining that Walt Disney Co. had prevented its Miramax Films unit from releasing "Fahrenheit 9/11." Disney said it did not want to be associated with a political hot potato in an election year, and noted that Moore had known this for a year.

Miramax co-chairmen Harvey and Bob Weinstein are in the process of buying the movie with their own money and lining up a distributor, which is not expected to be a big problem.

Thanks to Moore's knack for self-promotion, "everybody in America is going to know about this movie, if they don't know about it already," said Michael Silberman, president of distribution at IDP Distribution, which recently released "Super Size Me," a documentary about the perils of fast food.

"Bowling for Columbine" is the most successful documentary in North America with ticket sales of $21.5 million. His new one should at least match that, industry executives say.

"Whether you like Harvey or not, he's a die-hard Democrat and he's going to see to it this film gets exposed. It's going to make a lot of money," said T.C. Rice, president of distribution at New York-based independent studio Manhattan Pictures.

Moore has said he wants "Fahrenheit 9/11" to come out as soon as possible so that it will influence the November presidential election and send Bush back to Texas.

That could be a tall order, according to Kim Serafin, a politically moderate radio talk show host in Los Angeles.

"He'll have lots of applause from the people he's already preaching to, the people that already like him and believe in him and think he's a great filmmaker," she said. "And the people who don't ... they weren't going to see this movie anyway."

On the other hand, the Cannes win has given the film some legitimacy, and the film could bring out Moore-haters if only so that they can "know thy enemy," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box office tracking firm Exhibitor Relations.

"When people are talking about a movie like this, they want to see what all the fuss is about. In an election year it's all the more appealing to people because everybody's in this political mode," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: documentary; fahrenheit911; hollywood; hollywoodleft; michaelmoore; mikeymoron; movie
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1 posted on 05/23/2004 8:51:36 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Wow, this movie may have the same impact that "Bowling for Columbine" had on the RKBA movement. LOL!


2 posted on 05/23/2004 8:52:51 PM PDT by TheOldRepublic
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To: Indy Pendance

Compare this to how they reacted to "The Passion", and you'll see them for what they are.


3 posted on 05/23/2004 8:55:43 PM PDT by fella
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To: TheOldRepublic

I get the feeling Gibson's Passion will have more effect on the Nov elections then Moore's BS.

How can you watch The Passion and then vote for an anti-Christian Democrat like Kerry???


4 posted on 05/23/2004 8:56:10 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: TheOldRepublic

The result of this film will be the inverse of what happened to
The Passion."


5 posted on 05/23/2004 8:57:47 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Indy Pendance

Of course Hollywood likes the film, because it bashes the current president, something they love to do!

I predict that all of Mikie's posturings and hype will still not help the movie be successful here. Straight to Blockbuster for this one!


6 posted on 05/23/2004 8:58:18 PM PDT by Theresawithanh
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To: Indy Pendance
He churns out one crockumentary after another.

I'll wait for the video to come out. And then not rent it.

7 posted on 05/23/2004 9:00:04 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: TheOldRepublic

I wonder if Moore's propaganda will have the same effect as the Wellstone memorial service.


8 posted on 05/23/2004 9:01:51 PM PDT by Wissa
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To: Indy Pendance

"the Cannes win has given the film some legitimacy"

Among who? The French?


9 posted on 05/23/2004 9:03:48 PM PDT by dandi ("No nation ever taxed it's way into prosperity." - R.L.)
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To: Indy Pendance
'On the other hand, the Cannes win has given the film some legitimacy...."

The Cannes reviewers are conservative or moderate French intellectuals and artists with no prior agenda or political bias, thus imparting the stamp of credibility to the film. And I'm Clark Kent.

10 posted on 05/23/2004 9:04:23 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Indy Pendance

You mean this movie might sway the Hollywood vote away from President Bush??????? I'm,,I'm,,SHOCKED!!!! (sarcasm off)

Moore is an irrelevant dope. His crowd he preaches too is the same.


11 posted on 05/23/2004 9:04:38 PM PDT by kb2614 (".....We've done nothing and were all out of ideas!!")
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To: Indy Pendance
"He'll have lots of applause from the people he's already preaching to, the people that already like him and believe in him and think he's a great filmmaker," she said. "And the people who don't ... they weren't going to see this movie anyway."

Moreover, he'll alienate more of those who don't.

IMO most Americans are fed up with this crap. Also, IMO when people see a slob like Moore they run the other way simply for sanity's sake. So let 'em continue. It's like just handing votes to W. Thanks Moore-on!

12 posted on 05/23/2004 9:09:07 PM PDT by triceratops
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To: Indy Pendance

Someone ought to make a movie about Moore-on.

The Idiot and the Heresy.


13 posted on 05/23/2004 9:10:01 PM PDT by triceratops
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To: Wissa
Sickening isn't it. I get angry when I see my country being driven down to the sewer.

The Rats are really overconfident. This reminds me of the Deaniacs before their great fall. I have seen only one post on places like DU where the poster is trying to remind everyone that the election is over 5 months away. Nobody is listening. Let them rant. Tonight I am reminded of President Bush's inauguration speech in which he speaks about the "angels in the whirlwind". We are going to win this thing!
14 posted on 05/23/2004 9:18:00 PM PDT by TheOldRepublic
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15 posted on 05/23/2004 9:22:45 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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16 posted on 05/23/2004 9:24:44 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Indy Pendance
".....the film won the top Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival in France,...."

So Michael "Pork" Moore brings home the bacon! LOL

17 posted on 05/23/2004 9:33:41 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Indy Pendance

A Proper Love of Country
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 26, 1999


IT IS JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO that I wrote my first column for Salon, a piece about Elia Kazan in which I called for an end to Americas "longest blacklist." I did not say so at the time, but I felt a kinship with Kazan in the fact that the invitation to write for Salon had ended a long exile for me from the literary culture, the result of a kind of graylist in force for ex-radicals like myself.

My timing was off (as has frequently been the case in my life). I had no idea the shunning of Hollywoods greatest living film legend would come to an end only two years later, or that it would come as a result of an honor bestowed on him by the Academy of Motion Pictures itself. At the time I wrote my first Salon column, I was significantly ahead of the curve. Now, as a result of the iron law of Salon deadlines, I find myself behind it. I will try to use the fact that the pressing issue of the controversy is over to analyze the passions behind it, and see what they reveal.

Ostensibly the anti-Kazan anger was over the informal blacklist of Communists that was introduced into the film industry by the Hollywood studio heads some fifty years ago. Abe Polonsky and Bernard Gordon, two minor film professionals who organized the anti-Kazan protest, had been among those blacklisted at the time. The protesters charges against Kazan were that he had been an "informer" for the blacklisters, had collaborated with witch-hunters, and had betrayed colleagues and friends. For these crimes, they argued, the film community should have continued to shun him, should not have given him an award.

Let me begin by making my own views of congressional investigations like the one Kazan cooperated with clear. The purpose of such investigations is to determine whether there should be legislation to deal with certain problems and how that legislation should be designed. It is was legitimate for Congress to hold hearings inquiring into the influence of an organization like the Communist Party in an important American industry like film, as it was previously for legislators to inquire into the influence of organized crime in the union movement and other areas of American life. The Communist Party was conspiratorial in nature and set out to control unsuspecting organizations that it infiltrated. Its purposes were determined by the fact that it was financed and directed by a foreign power, whom its members worshiped. Kazan deeply resented the way the Communist Party had infiltrated and taken control of the Group Theater, where he was an actor and director, and used it for its own political ends.

What was not legitimate was for congressmen to use such hearings to attempt to expose the influence of Communists or gangsters to the public at large. Such public hearings were, in effect, trials without the due-process protections afforded in a court of law. Uncooperative witnesses were called before the committees that became juries, judges, and executioners all rolled into one. The mere charge of being a gangster or a Communist was enough to ensure a public judgment that was punitive.

By this standard, all congressional investigations that are open, whether they are of organized crime or of Communists or of executive misdeeds, as in the Iran-Contra Hearings, are equally illegitimate and also qualify as witch-hunts. Oliver North had no more constitutional protections when he appeared before the Iran-Contra committee and had to sit in the dock while Senators and congressmanwho enjoyed legal immunitydenounced him as a liar and traitor to the entire nation, than did the Communists whose constitutional protections were similarly abused. On the other hand, I dont remember protests issuing from liberals over the attempted public hanging of Oliver North and the other Iran-Contra figures. Perhaps thats because the political shoe was on the other foot. Yet the only way to avoid such abuses of congressional power is to require that all congressional hearings be closed.

There were other aspects of the Hollywood witch-hunt (and of Kazans role) that were blurred in the Academy controversy. Every one of the Communists Kazan named, for example, had already been identified as a Communist by other witnesses. None of the Communists he named even worked in the film industry, but were theater professionals in New York. Kazans testimony destroyed no Hollywood careers. Moreover, it was not Congress that imposed the blacklist but Hollywood itself. This little fact, now forgotten, was dramatized by the way the blacklist finally came to an end. This was accomplished through the act of one man, and not one of the studio heads who had initiated the process either. This entire unhappy episode in American life was put to an end by the actor Kirk Douglas when he decided to give Dalton Trumbo a screen credit for the film Spartacus, in which Douglas starred. By putting Trumbos name on the credits, he legitimized those who had been hitherto banished, and opened the doors to their return. What made the blacklist possible, in other words, was Hollywood itself, the collusion of all those actors, writers, and directors (some of whom sat on their hands and scowled for the cameras the night Kazans own exile ended) who went to work day and in a day out during the blacklist years while their friends and colleagues languished out in the cold.

The anti-Kazan protest, in short, was entirely symbolic and contained large doses of hypocrisy and amnesia. Ultimately, it was an attempt to re-fight the Cold War. And that is why the anti-Kazan forces lost.

Suppose the studio heads that met in 1951 to ban Communists in Hollywood had instead announced that they were not going to employ Nazis and racists, or members of the Ku Klux Klan. Would Abe Polonsky and Bernard Gordon and the other progressives who tried to deny Kazan his honor have come out to protest this blacklist? Would they have regarded friendly witnesses against the Nazis and racists as betrayers of "friends?" Or would they have welcomed them as men who had come to their senses and done the right thing?

Many of those who defended the Kazan award invoked the quality of his art to overlook what he did politically. The director Paul Schrader was typical. Artistically, he told the LA Weekly, "Kazan is a giant. [But] that does not mitigate the fact that he did wrong things. I think evil things. But at the end of the day, hes an artist, and his work towers over that." Schrader explained that to say Kazan shouldnt get an honorary Oscar was like saying that Leni Riefenstahl shouldnt be acknowledged because she worked under the heel of Hitlers propaganda machine. What Schrader (and others) conveniently overlooked was that it was Kazans antagonists who volunteered to work for Stalins propaganda machine, while Kazan went to the mat for America, for the democracy that had given him refuge, freedom, and unbounded opportunity.

I had the occasion to raise this issue, on a talk show, with Victor Navasky, editor of The Nation and author of a book on the McCarthy period that established him in the controversy as the most articulate defender of the Old Left. When I asked Navasky if he would have similar objections to a blacklist of Nazis, he said, "The difference is the Nazi Party was illegal. The Communist Party was legal."

This was an odd position for a New Left radical. Would it have been all right to inform on members of the civil-rights movement because they broke laws? Should the Communist Party have been outlawed to make the hearings legitimate? (In fact, one of the purposes of the congressional hearings, as Navasky well knows, was to see if such legislation was warranted.) If Congress had decided to outlaw the Communist Party, wouldnt Victor Navasky and other progressives be pointing to this as an example of witch-hunting, evidence of an incipient American fascism at the time? Of course they would.

In fact, Navasky draws a sharp distinction between Communists and Nazis that has nothing to do with legalities. In a Newsweek column, he wrote, unlike Nazis, "the actors, writers, and directors who joined the Communist Party . . . in the 30s started out as social idealists who believed that the party was the best place to fight fascism abroad and racism at home." But this is not a plausible argument for anyone familiar with the political realities of the time, let alone a lifelong partisan of the left like Victor Navasky. There were many organizations other than the Communist Party where one could fight fascism abroad and racism at home if one so desired. Indeed, during the NaziSoviet Pact, the Communist Party was hardly the place to fight "fascism abroad" at all.

What made the Communist Party distinctive for those who joined was its belief that the Soviet Union was the future of mankind, and that preparation for a Bolshevik-style revolution in the United States was the appropriate politics for anyone interested in a liberated future. People who joined the Party were given secret names so they could function in the underground when the time came for such tactics, and were introduced into an organization that was conspiratorial in nature because it fully intended to conduct illegal operations. That was what the revolution required, as they understood it. It was not for anything that they thought of themselves as Leninists.

One of the famous incidents of the blacklist period was the Peekskill riot, where anti-Communists broke up a public concert by Paul Robeson, at the time the most famous figure associated with the Party. The pretext of the riot was a recent public statement Robeson had made that blurted out what every Communist secretly felt: in the Cold War with Stalins Russia, he or she was actively pulling for the other side. What Robeson said (and I paraphrase) was that American Negroes would not fight in a war between the United States and the Soviet Union. This was a crude exploitation of black Americans, but it accurately reflected the sentiments in Robesons own heart and in the hearts of his comrades.

This is the missing self-perception that underlies the odd postures of the left during the Kazan affair and indeed the postures of many post-Communist leftists when they reflect on the Cold War years.

One such oddity is the way in which those who protested the Kazan honor were actually the aggressors in the affair, yet presented themselves as victims. Imagine what would have happened if a group of Hollywood figures had organized a protest over the honorary Oscar that the Academy gave to Charlie Chaplin some years ago. Suppose they had done so because forty years earlier Chaplin was a Communist fellow-traveler and gave money and support to the Stalinist cause. Can it be doubted that cries of "red-baiting" and "witch-hunting" would issue from the left? Why was Kazans case any different? Why didnt they see their own protest as a witch-hunt to deny an honor to someone who was on the other side of the political battle fifty years ago? Their only possible answer to this question would be: who did Chaplin betray?

The centrality of this issue in all the responses of the anti-Kazan forces was brought home to me by a recently published book I have been reading called Red Atlantis, by the film critic for the Village Voice, J. Hoberman. The concluding chapter of Red Atlantis is a compilation of two pieces Hoberman wrote years ago on the controversy over the Rosenberg case. Like the Kazan affair, the passions over the Rosenbergs still ran high at the time, despite the fact that here too the historical record is closed. Just as there is no secret anymore that virtually all the victims of the blacklist were also defenders of a monster regime that was Americas sworn enemy, so it is clear that the Rosenbergs were actual spies for Stalins Russia. Hoberman does not deny either fact, but so minimizes them that they become insignificant to his argument. The climactic passage of his text contains these judgments:

"Q. WERE JULIUS AND ETHEL GUILTY?
A: AFFIRMATIVE. GUILTY OF WANTING THE BETTER WORLD.
Q. DOES THAT MEAN THEY WERE TRAITORS?
A. NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE. NEGATIVE. . . . NEGA. . . .

"How could the Rosenbergs be traitors? Traitors! To whom? . . . The Rosenbergs never betrayed their beliefs, their friends. They kept the faith. They sacrificed everythingeven their children. In a time when turning states witness was touted as the greatest of civic virtues, the Rosenbergs went to their deaths without implicating a soul."

Here is the mentality that explains the oddities of the Kazan protest and the lefts defense of itself during the Cold War era. For the argument proposed by Hoberman is absurd to anyone not committed to the progressive faith. Isnt the case that even Nazis think of themselves as wanting a better world? Dont we all? In other words, if Hobermans proposition is true, doesnt wanting a better world become a license to tell any lie, perpetrate any crime, commit any betrayal? And how could he have overlooked the betrayals that the Rosenbergs did commit? If they sacrificed their children, as they did, surely this was a betrayal. If they maintained their innocence to friends and comrades, as they did, surely this was a betrayal. If they pledged their faith to Stalins evil regime, they betrayed their own ideals. If they spied for the Soviet government, as Hoberman concedes they did, is there any question that they betrayed their country?

It is their country and its citizens who are the missing elements in the consciousness of progressives like Hoberman, Navasky, and the anti-Kazan protesters. For them collaborating with their own democratic government, as it tried to defend itself against a mortal Communist threat, is more culpable than serving a totalitarian state and aiding an enemy power.

What is missing from these progressive hearts, after all is said and done, is a proper love of country, and therefore a sense of the friends, neighbors, and countrymen they betrayed. A proper love of country does not mean the abandonment of ones principles or the surrender of ones critical senses. It means valuing what you have been given, of what you have, and sharing the responsibility for nurturing and defending those gifts, even when you dissent. The Old Left, the Stalinists, the people whom Kazan named, betrayed their country and the real people who live in it, their friends, their neighbors, and ultimately, themselves. They may have betrayed it out of ignorance, or misplaced ideals, or because they were blinded by faith. But they did it, and they need to acknowledge that now by showing humility towards those, like Kazan, who did not.


18 posted on 05/23/2004 9:35:35 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Smartass; nuconvert

I hate this 'Moore' very much!


19 posted on 05/23/2004 9:37:34 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: Indy Pendance

I almost wish for the usual bad Hollywood overhyped violent trash than a disgusting hollywood hyping of this overhyped lying piece of leftist garbage.


20 posted on 05/23/2004 9:42:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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