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New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge
Washington Post ^ | Friday, May 21, 2004; Page A01 | Scott Higham and Joe Stephens

Posted on 05/21/2004 6:32:17 AM PDT by jjm2111

Previously secret sworn statements by detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq describe in raw detail abuse that goes well beyond what has been made public, adding allegations of prisoners being ridden like animals, sexually fondled by female soldiers and forced to retrieve their food from toilets.

The fresh allegations of prison abuse are contained in statements taken from 13 detainees shortly after a soldier reported the incidents to military investigators in mid-January. The detainees said they were savagely beaten and repeatedly humiliated sexually by American soldiers working on the night shift at Tier 1A in Abu Ghraib during the holy month of Ramadan, according to copies of the statements obtained by The Washington Post.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; detainee; iraq; iraqipow; torture; wot
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To: Joe Brower
Does anyone have an already-established bogus email address and password to access the Washington Post website?

Take a look at http://www.mailinator.com . You can register on ANY site, give 'em a "[something]@mailinator.com", and then go to mailinator and pick up the confirmation/keys. You can use ANY name at that domain and all mail automatically flushes after a couple of hours. It's a great place to use for a public 'note board' too.

81 posted on 05/21/2004 5:24:35 PM PDT by solitas (maybe we SHOULD leave Iraq; targeting ALL the hospitals & schools as we depart: scorched earth.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
IIRC, wasn't he the first Hispanic Black Jew to serve in Nam?

WHILE he was pregnant and fighting a (pick a topic) addiction.

82 posted on 05/21/2004 5:26:58 PM PDT by solitas (maybe we SHOULD leave Iraq; targeting ALL the hospitals & schools as we depart: scorched earth.)
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To: Joe Brower

slashdot@slashdot.com

slashdot


83 posted on 05/21/2004 5:28:18 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: solitas

(botox)


84 posted on 05/21/2004 6:11:37 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: jjm2111
First law of propaganda, don't over use the issue. If you do you tend to desensitize your audience. That is exactly what is happening here. With the coming of the Berg beheading this is just getting old as hell. The media is dropping the ball in front of the American people, they don't know it, so let it come. The second thing this is doing is reminding us that these animals deserve interrogation on the worst level we can give it (from a Geneva convention point of view). Every time we get information out of these vermin we save American lives, and that's all I care about. Teddy can drive another Oldsmobile off a bridge (with Hillary in it) for all I care. I fight for America, and the brave men that serve.

Make no mistake, the left is trying to do to these brave men and women what they did to us (Nam Vets), they are drumming us down, they are spitting on our troops, and they are trying to take away their will to fight. The communist loving press did that to my troops in Nam, THEY WILL NOT DO THAT TO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN IRAQ! As God is my witness, they won't defeat the cause this time!

The commie press salivates, with red eyes, at the chance to show American fighting men as monsters. We are NOT.

Monsters huh. A September night in South Viet Nam, a hundred years ago. We chased a battalion strength contingency up the Ho Chi Mein trail (we were a rag tag company of Rangers that just happen to engage them on the road). Through villages and "rice patty" towns. We fought for nine days. Turn and run, advance and fire, run every which way and fire. Sometimes we won, sometimes we lost, but we kept pushing them up the road. One vill, we found no men and a contingency of cong, we killed them. We also found dead women, some pregnant, and infants crying. I was "doc" I took care of the babies. This wasn't a one time thing, the Communists did this daily, and they are still doing it thanks to the american communist assholes like Jane Fonda, and John F'n Kerry and all the ilk that support communism, and this Islamic bullshit.

They are going to try this on our troops in Iraq. They called me a baby killer, when I saved babies. They turn the truth to lies, and they get away with it. Stop this now, or these brave men will suffer what I am suffering. Get the truth out, or they will have fought and died for nothing but the lies of the communists, and elitists.

The blood of the patriot that feeds the tree of liberty is good enough to defend, is it not? Mr. President, don't give up like Johnson and McNamera, don't slither down a communist hole and leave those brave men to die for nothing. Stand and deliver, defeat this most vile enemy. Don't leave them to die for nothing.

85 posted on 05/21/2004 6:35:24 PM PDT by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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To: timydnuc; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; Mia T; Alamo-Girl; Ragtime Cowgirl; ...


There are allegedly anonymous rumblings from military families back here in the states.

Families that have had soldiers killed or injured or had their jobs made more dangerous because of the media and dem/libs and morons like Mike Berg.

The word is payback for the traitors.

The media and lefties better party while they can because sooner or later they will find their words and actions have dire consequences.

I for one shall weep for them.

Yeah.

Right.





86 posted on 05/21/2004 7:38:20 PM PDT by devolve (................... [..........................Hello from Sunny South Florida.............)
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To: timydnuc
Excellent message, and as Rush says, don't think you are alone in your thoughts. Think of all the millions of Americans with their Vietnam memories. All across this country, people are getting the measure of how much an enemy the dominant media is to our future.

The second thing this is doing is reminding us that these animals deserve interrogation on the worst level we can give it (from a Geneva convention point of view). Every time we get information out of these vermin we save American lives, and that's all I care about.

Every time I think that one of these naked detainees might have planted a roadside bomb that killed or maimed one American, I cannot feel any anger about their "humiliation."

87 posted on 05/21/2004 7:42:48 PM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
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To: devolve

I wonder if any of this could have been done or at least instigated by those hoping to discredit the President.

Conspiracy theory maybe, but to be so widespread and being exposed at this time is just too fortunate for the Dems!


88 posted on 05/21/2004 7:56:17 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: maica
The left and the media pushed us so far in Nam (67, 68) that we had a pact. Nobody gets taken alive, either you expend all your ammo (one round left) and kill as many as you can, or make them kill you. The last option is the "unthinkable", that's what that last round was for. Believe me, the unthinkable happened more than once.

The North Vietnamese got all their "fire" from the american left, and their presstitutes. How many stories have you seen about the Wall in DC. Not many, they want us to forget. My friends, my brothers on that wall won't be silent, they have me, I made it and I will not let their voice be hushed by the communist left that killed them.

John Kerry is a disgrace to every man that served, and he is the murderer to half of the men on that wall.

Hero, my ass! He's a political hack that used the war for his own gain. He's a deserter, he left the battle, then he lied about the men fighting it, and then he pissed on the men that were prisoners of war.

I look at this portrait on the wall of my Den. I see it everyday. I live with my good fight in the Nam. I touched that Wall once. The cold granite cooled my hand, the memories of the dead ran through my body. I could think only of honor, sacrifice, and brotherhood. I lived, they died. They are my responsibility now, I speak for them.

FREEDOM!!!!!

89 posted on 05/21/2004 8:13:42 PM PDT by timydnuc ("Give me Liberty, or give me death"!)
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To: ExtremeUnction
That garbage about how out of tune with America,GHW Bush was,because he said that the grocery scanner was neat,is a media canard,that you swallowed as whole clothe. The fact is,it was a NEW and IMPROVED/DIFFERENT scanner...NOT something that everyone had seen before.But that was left out of the story,the whole thing was twisted to fit the medias' views of what an out of touch with the common man X41 was and YOU fell for it.SHAME ON YOU!

I'd rather have a president who DOESN'T read Drudge or listen to talk radio and fdollows what the boob on the street thinks,than another Clinton,who poles a wet finger in the air and tries to make it appear that he has a finger on the pulse of the "average man";unlike you.

90 posted on 05/21/2004 8:30:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: lonevoice
jerrydoyle@talkradionetwork.com
91 posted on 05/21/2004 8:35:30 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: LADY J
Beating a dead horse! Give it up already!!

You know, even if the media won't give it up the LEAST we could do it stop posting this poop on FR. I suggest a boycott of ALL prison abuse stories on FR. If we can boycott France we can certainly boycott the publishers of this stuff, don't give them the hits!

92 posted on 05/21/2004 8:37:12 PM PDT by hobson
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To: RolandBurnam

There is Russian proverb "so skotom i obrashchenie skotskoe" - ([if one is] a beast, [one] is to be treated [in] beastly [fashion]). It may pertain. GS
P.S. I strongly oppose cruelty to animals. Beast here should be a moral, not anatomical, quality.


93 posted on 05/21/2004 8:48:08 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Pete
They actually want us to lose. Let that sink in.

And the way to get that to happen is to get more Americans killed.

94 posted on 05/21/2004 9:06:47 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Condor51

All we have to do is turn the channel. They cannot make me watch abuse stories day after day same as they could not make me watch Scott Petersen trial analysis day after day.

I will go to other stations until I find something I am interested in. I am not interested in playing stupid stooge for the liberal media with my face plastered to the TV showing the propaganda they want to push in my head.


95 posted on 05/21/2004 9:22:09 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: cyncooper

..Disinformation doesn't go too far on this site.
.....

Exactly why FreeRepublic is a great alternative news source for our use.

When the media serves as propaganda TV, anyone with any sense would find alternative news sources. We are not required to watch ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN. The more people turn to alternative sites, the less power the major media will have.

So far I know of Fox News, FreeRepublic, Drudge, Rush, Sean and the great conservative talk shows. There is a strong need for alternative news sources and I think some will capitalize on this need.

Maybe it would be interesting to put together a list of alternative news sites with their rating as to truthful unslanted reporting.


96 posted on 05/21/2004 9:30:05 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: Joe Brower
You're welcome, but it's all thanks to BugMeNot.com.
97 posted on 05/22/2004 12:30:52 AM PDT by jaykay
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To: timydnuc; devolve
Mega bump !!



98 posted on 05/22/2004 3:33:42 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ExtremeUnction
Where's Truman when we need him?

Truman? Surely you jest?!?
By making that statement I'm going to assume you are fairly young and have fallen for the media lie, and leftist history revision, that HST, aka 'give em hell harry' was 'tough' on communism.

FYI, HST was a 2nd rate political hack who once said that he - and I quote, "liked Joseph Stalin". With his full knowledge his WH staff and the State Dept was full of Russian spies, which facts he arrogantly ignored. HST also signed off on giving half of Europe away to the Communists (FDR's Yalta, which HST could have revised) and HST did cr@p to enforce the Potsdam agreements that HE engineered and which were violated almost as soon as they left the room.

And who was POTUS in WWII when our troops were ordered to HALT in their tracks and let the Russians keep advancing? Oh yeah, TRUMAN.

HST also gave China to the Communists (Mao) by pulling all support for Chiang Kai-shek and in effect ALLOWED the Korean war to happen by his soft stance on Communism.

Then let's not forget how he tied the hands of the US Military in fighting the Korean War by first stopping MacArthur at the Yalu River and then later would not allow our jets to cross the Yalu River after the North's counter-attack. HST also knew that Russian pilots were actually flying most of those MIGS and did NOTHING about it! (except stymie our response)

HST, ALSO reneged on his agreement with Ho Chi Minh for US funding for helping us fight the Japs and from VJ Day supported the French in keeping their little IndoChina empire going, which then forced Ho to go to Russia for money - and a communist form of government, which then as we know gave then us the Vietnam War.

The only people HST 'gave hell to' was the American People and the Free World!

As such, Harry Truman should be dug up, tried for treason, SHOT and reburied thrown in a garbage toxic waste dump!

~~HST Rant OFF~~
time for a BP pill

99 posted on 05/22/2004 5:34:17 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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To: ClancyJ
Ditto.
I'm turning off FNC more-and-more during the day and listening to the History Channel while I work - or the Cubbies (TG for day games).

And If I never again hear the name 'Scott Peterson', it'll still be too soon.

100 posted on 05/22/2004 5:43:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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