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48 House Catholics send warning to Bishops
MSNBC ^ | May 20, 2004 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 05/20/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 05/20/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope," they wrote. ". . . While that type of paranoid anti-Catholicism seems to be a thing of the past, attempts by Church leaders today to influence votes by the threat of withholding a sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice, which so many of us have worked so hard to overcome."

The three-page letter, dated May 10, was sent to McCarrick because he heads a task force of U.S. bishops that is considering whether, and how, the church should take action against Catholic politicians whose public positions are at odds with Catholic doctrine.

McCarrick's spokesman, Susan Gibbs, said he would not comment on the letter. She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting. "They will be heard. It just hasn't been arranged yet," she said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; kerry; politicalextortion
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To: sinkspur
Is a Democrat pro-life politician sinning by belonging to a party that clearly supports abortion?

He may be, to the extent that he works to get other Democrats who are not pro-life elected.

And, BTW, it's really bad form for these bozos to threaten the Church.

41 posted on 05/20/2004 7:00:33 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sinkspur; ninenot; GirlShortstop; sandyeggo; Desdemona; ArrogantBustard; gbcdoj; saradippity; ...
The Roman Catholic Church is not spineless AmChurch.

At its best, as ever it is true that the Roman Catholic Church says what it means and means what it says.

Let us separate the wheat from the chaff.

42 posted on 05/20/2004 7:00:56 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

I believe you.

She would make a perfect Unitarian. Unitarians welcome atheists, agnostics, Wiccans, druids, animists, you name it, into their "churches".


43 posted on 05/20/2004 7:01:21 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: NYer

The bishops seem to be including opposition to the death penalty in their pro-life stance. There is a big difference between the taking of innocent life and just punishment of criminals.


44 posted on 05/20/2004 7:02:05 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

To liberals, politics is their religion. The rest is just pandering and window dressing to be used as required.


45 posted on 05/20/2004 7:03:44 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (From each according to his inability, to each according to his misdeeds - DNC Motto)
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To: NYer
"As a priest and bishop, I do not favor a confrontation at the altar rail with the Sacred Body of the Lord Jesus in my hand. There are apparently those who would welcome such a conflict, for good reasons, I am sure, or for political ones, but I would not," he wrote.

I wonder if the babies who are about to be torn limb from limb think "the altar rail with the Sacred Body of the Lord Jesus" would be an appropriate place for a confrontation. I wonder if they would "welcome such a conflict."

46 posted on 05/20/2004 7:03:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: B Knotts
And, BTW, it's really bad form for these bozos to threaten the Church.

I'm not sure it is. The American Catholic Bishops do not have a reservoir of goodwill to draw from, given their sorry record on clerical abuse. Even Deal Hudson is concerned that the one-upmanship exhibited by bishops like Sheridan will cause a severe backlash.

I think he's right.

47 posted on 05/20/2004 7:04:15 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer
The title has it '48 Catholics'. What I see in the reading of the title is non-living Christian Catholics calling themselves Catholics. If you are a baptized Catholic and do not follow the Catholic teachings then are you really a Catholic? I say not! They say that they can be for abortion and be a Catholic at the same time, however, Jesus himself said that you can not serve two masters. You can not be for abortion and Catholic at the same time. I don't care who or how many people they represent. If you are going to be for abortion then quit calling yourselves Catholic or quit being for abortion and be a Christian Catholic.
48 posted on 05/20/2004 7:04:44 AM PDT by AIC
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To: marty60

"Politicians threatening religious leaders"

Yeah, but the religious leaders threatened first - they started it. Keep this up and I'll tell my mommy.


49 posted on 05/20/2004 7:04:57 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: BlackElk

Nick Lampson (TX congressman quoted in the article) is one of the Dems who is on the verge of losing his seat due to Texas redistricting. Over time, he has expressed some of the weirdest and convoluted reasoning to justify his support of abortion. The latest poll released last week shows him losing to pro-life Republican Ted Poe by a margin of 62-38. I can't wait!


50 posted on 05/20/2004 7:05:04 AM PDT by pkajj
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To: sinkspur

Why do they need a reservoir of goodwill? They speak the Truth. Is that not enough?


51 posted on 05/20/2004 7:07:03 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: JimRed
The bishops seem to be including opposition to the death penalty in their pro-life stance.

John Paul II does.

Abortion and capital punishment are certainly not morally equivalent, but it's easy to see how a governor or two could draw the wrath of a socially-progressive bishop.

52 posted on 05/20/2004 7:07:28 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer
"This was not about politics. It was about us and our church and our own faith," she said.

LIARS

53 posted on 05/20/2004 7:07:34 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Countries around the world are ALIENATING ME...an American!)
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To: NYer

Either you are a true Catholic or a fake one. I suggest, respectfully of course that it's time to draw the line and decide whether your religion's strong beliefs about taking the lives of innocent babies is valid for you or not. There are times when I wonder at the lack of wisdom of RATs in Congress, but most of the time I think they are simply maroons and their letter to the bishops proves it again.


54 posted on 05/20/2004 7:08:39 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (4)
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To: Know your rights
"The letter questioned how the bishops could limit the denial of Communion to abortion, noting that Pope John Paul II and many U.S. bishops have condemned the death penalty and the war in Iraq."

This is a good illustration of why the left JUST DOESN'T GET IT. JP II and a lot of U.S. bishops are speaking on their own. Their personal opinions have nothing to do with the actual TEACHINGS of the Church. The sooner people begin to make this distinction between personal opinion and doctrine, the better.

55 posted on 05/20/2004 7:09:25 AM PDT by redhead
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To: sinkspur
We probably could use some backlash, to wake some people up from their slumber.

The Church must teach.

The political effects cannot be allowed to stop that teaching.

For too long, much like the abuse scandal, this situation was allowed to fester. There will be some pain in resolving it.

56 posted on 05/20/2004 7:10:05 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: johnb2004
Why do they need a reservoir of goodwill? They speak the Truth. Is that not enough?

No, it's not. As Fr. Wilson said in a recent column, for the bishops to all-of-a-sudden start hammering Catholic politicians (and even Catholics themselves) for the votes they cast is hypocrisy of the highest order, when the same bishops have stood by for 30 years and given a wink and a nod to the same politicians, casting the same votes.

To choose an election year to take a stand risks putting the very people in office they're railing against.

Can you not see that?

57 posted on 05/20/2004 7:11:44 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer

This is a big deal. The showdown between church and state is coming. Eventually the Catholic Church, or some other evangelical/Protestant church, is going to get sued by a pro-abortion politician or a homosexual couple for refusing to allow them to "practice their religion."


58 posted on 05/20/2004 7:13:29 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: sinkspur
They "choose" this year because one of the nominees is a "catholic" who defies the Church. What are the bishops to do? Deny Christ and keep silent? Yes, the bishops have been derelict, but that does not mean they do not have the authority, directly from Christ, to preach the Truth at all times. Do you not get that?
59 posted on 05/20/2004 7:15:32 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: sinkspur
"Is a Democrat pro-life politician sinning by belonging to a party that clearly supports abortion?"

DUH! You know the answer to this one as well as the rest of us.

60 posted on 05/20/2004 7:16:31 AM PDT by redhead
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