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48 House Catholics send warning to Bishops
MSNBC ^ | May 20, 2004 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 05/20/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 05/20/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope," they wrote. ". . . While that type of paranoid anti-Catholicism seems to be a thing of the past, attempts by Church leaders today to influence votes by the threat of withholding a sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice, which so many of us have worked so hard to overcome."

The three-page letter, dated May 10, was sent to McCarrick because he heads a task force of U.S. bishops that is considering whether, and how, the church should take action against Catholic politicians whose public positions are at odds with Catholic doctrine.

McCarrick's spokesman, Susan Gibbs, said he would not comment on the letter. She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting. "They will be heard. It just hasn't been arranged yet," she said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
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To: Malacoda; BlackElk; ninenot; dangus; maryz

According to the article, the three pro-life House Democrats who signed the bill were Bart Stupak of Michigan (the UP and the "index and middle fingers" of the LP), Jim Langevin of RI and Mike Doyle of PA (Pittsburgh and its close-in suburbs). However, I found the letter here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/letter_to_mccarrick_05-10-2004.pdf and I found two other generally pro-life Democrats who signed on to it: Tim Ryan of OH (Mahoning Valley and Akron) and Jim Oberstar of MN (Iron Range). I guess those guys have decided to place politics ahead of their faith.

But the most interesting thing to note is that only 48 House Democrats signed the letter, even though there are probably close to 100 Catholic Democrats in the House. I counted a dozen pro-life Catholic Democrats in the House who did not sign on to the letter (there are probably others that I missed), perhaps because they agree with the bishops' position, but most probably because they don't want to get involved or else fear a political backlash from pro-life voters: Congressmen McNulty (NY), Crowley (NY), Holden (PA), Kanjorski (PA), Murtha (PA), Kleczka (WI), Michaud (ME), Neal (MA), Ortiz (TX), Lipinski (IL), Costello (IL) and Chris John (LA). I would hope that the media will seek their reaction to the letter, but I'm not holding my breath.

Jim Obey, who is pro-life some of the time, did not sign the letter, nor did pro-lifer Jerry Kleczka.

Among Massachusetts Democrats, Stephen Lynch is pro-abortion, although Richard Neal is pro-life, as was Joe Moakley.


241 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:26 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: NYer; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...

"Non Serviam" seems to be their answer to the Church. They've chosen their master and he isn't the same one they were Confirmed to. How said, a masse apostacy.


242 posted on 05/20/2004 1:29:45 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: narses

Well, the bishops now have a list of names to work with.


243 posted on 05/20/2004 1:31:36 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: narses
She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting.

The only problem is the voices they are listening to most likely are coming from the mouth of a head spinning around backwards in a house in Georgetown.

244 posted on 05/20/2004 1:34:27 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur; Petronski

"Am I under an obligation to actively stop a person from getting drunk?"


What a goofy analogy. A better question is do you have an obligation towards LIFE if you are a legislator? Both in Catholic belief and Natural Law, the answer is YES. As a Deacon you should be supporting the Pope in this. You have a higher obligation of OBEDIANCE.


245 posted on 05/20/2004 1:51:37 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Exactly.


246 posted on 05/20/2004 1:52:03 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: NYer

<< .... anti-Catholicism ... [Is] of the past [But] attempts by Church leaders today to influence [Professed Catholics] by .... withholding the Sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice ... >>

Bullsh*t.


247 posted on 05/20/2004 2:01:01 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: narses
As a Deacon you should be supporting the Pope in this.

I do support the Pope.

I don't recall the Pope declaring that anybody should be refused the Eucharist.

248 posted on 05/20/2004 2:07:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer
Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

Not with this observer, it won't. I'd be impressed as all hell if even one of 'em grew a spine.
249 posted on 05/20/2004 2:08:53 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: sinkspur

Ahh....Sinky....the Daschle excommunication was LAST year; the Burke letters were LAST year...

Furthermore, election years are the ONLY time to remind voters of who the baby-killers are.


250 posted on 05/20/2004 2:13:31 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

There was no Daschle excommunication. There was a Daschle letter.


251 posted on 05/20/2004 2:14:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: eastsider

The Catholic pol, in good conscience, may vote for a bill which restricts abortion--a change from the current situation.

He may not vote to fund it, or continue it as it is.


252 posted on 05/20/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: dogbyte12

Death penalty and war votes are not congruent issues with the abortion issue.

The Church has NO doctinal prohibition of death penalty and war decisions are prudential, reserved to the nation's leadership (I assume we are talking about Iraq...)


253 posted on 05/20/2004 2:17:10 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Bikers4Bush
So true. Their political lives will end soon, but their eternal lives will go on... in one place or another. However, the baby-killers have traded the eternal for the temporal. Fools! It makes your heart sink but such ugly examples might just spur folks on to repentence. (credit to an older friend)
254 posted on 05/20/2004 2:18:40 PM PDT by broadsword (The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for Democrats to get elected.)
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To: sinkspur

You have a very good facility for asking questions which are non-sequiturs, or which confuse fundamental issues.

I'll ignore those for the sake of brevity.


255 posted on 05/20/2004 2:19:43 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
I'll ignore those for the sake of brevity.

It's the best way.

256 posted on 05/20/2004 2:20:52 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: ninenot

What is the moral rationale that prevents a Catholic politican from voting to suffer abortion under threat of excommunication?


257 posted on 05/20/2004 2:21:13 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: ELS

FR keyword search Colorado Springs Bishop should get you there. Otherwise, http://bettnet.dyndns.org/blog/weblog.php?id=0, search on Colorado Springs Bishop.


258 posted on 05/20/2004 2:24:40 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
You have a very good facility for asking questions which are non-sequiturs, or which confuse fundamental issues.

LOL!! You don't answer questions you can't, or don't want, to answer.

259 posted on 05/20/2004 2:26:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NYer
Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.

Give me a break.

Such a move by bishops would bolster my respect for the Catholic leadership.

260 posted on 05/20/2004 2:26:21 PM PDT by k2blader (Anything that claims to come from God but can't be confirmed in Scripture, hasn't.)
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