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To: Malacoda; BlackElk; ninenot; dangus; maryz

According to the article, the three pro-life House Democrats who signed the bill were Bart Stupak of Michigan (the UP and the "index and middle fingers" of the LP), Jim Langevin of RI and Mike Doyle of PA (Pittsburgh and its close-in suburbs). However, I found the letter here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/letter_to_mccarrick_05-10-2004.pdf and I found two other generally pro-life Democrats who signed on to it: Tim Ryan of OH (Mahoning Valley and Akron) and Jim Oberstar of MN (Iron Range). I guess those guys have decided to place politics ahead of their faith.

But the most interesting thing to note is that only 48 House Democrats signed the letter, even though there are probably close to 100 Catholic Democrats in the House. I counted a dozen pro-life Catholic Democrats in the House who did not sign on to the letter (there are probably others that I missed), perhaps because they agree with the bishops' position, but most probably because they don't want to get involved or else fear a political backlash from pro-life voters: Congressmen McNulty (NY), Crowley (NY), Holden (PA), Kanjorski (PA), Murtha (PA), Kleczka (WI), Michaud (ME), Neal (MA), Ortiz (TX), Lipinski (IL), Costello (IL) and Chris John (LA). I would hope that the media will seek their reaction to the letter, but I'm not holding my breath.

Jim Obey, who is pro-life some of the time, did not sign the letter, nor did pro-lifer Jerry Kleczka.

Among Massachusetts Democrats, Stephen Lynch is pro-abortion, although Richard Neal is pro-life, as was Joe Moakley.


241 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:26 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Jim Obey, who is pro-life some of the time, did not sign the letter, nor did pro-lifer Jerry Kleczka.

If you are referring to DAVE Obey (WI.), he already got a letter from Bishop Burke warning him about his voting record.

Kleczka is retiring, gone, outta here.

264 posted on 05/20/2004 2:30:36 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

By my count (doing a quick check online of all the Catholic Republicans in the House and adding your list of Dems), AT LEAST 67 Catholics in the house did NOT sign. These would include:

1. Beauprez, Bob, (R-CO)
2. Boehlert, Sherwood, (R-NY)
3. Boehner, John A., (R-OH)
4. Brady, Kevin, (R-TX)
5. Brown-Waite, Ginny, (R-FL)
6. Camp, Dave, (R-MI)
7. Castle, Michael N., (R-DE)
8. Chabot, Steve, (R-OH)
9. Costello, Jerry (D-IL)
10. Cox, Christopher, (R-CA)
11. Crowley (D-NY)
12. Diaz-Balart, Lincoln, (R-FL)
13. Diaz-Balart, Mario, (R-FL)
14. English, Phil, (R-PA)
15. Ferguson, Mike, (R-NJ)
16. Foley, Mark, (R-FL)
17. Fossella, Vito, (R-NY)
18. Gingrey, Phil, (R-GA)
19. Green, Mark, (R-WI)
20. Gutknecht, Gil, (R-MN)
21. Hart, Melissa A., (R-PA)
22. Hastings, Doc, (R-WA
23. Holden, Tim (D-PA)
24. Hulshof, Kenny C., (R-MO)
25. Hyde, Henry, (R-IL)
26. John, Christopher, D-LA)
27. Jones, Walter B., (R-NC)
28. Kanjorski (D-PA)
29. Kennedy, Mark R., (R-MN)
30. King, Peter T., (R-NY)
31. King, Steve, (R-IA)
32. Kleczka, Jerry (D-WI)
33. Knollenberg, Joe, (R-MI)
34. LaHood, Ray, (R-IL)
35. Lipinski, Bill (D-IL)
36. LoBiondo, Frank A., (R-NJ)
37. McCotter, Thaddeus G, (R-MI)
38. McHugh, John M., (R-NY)
39. McInnis, Scott, (R-CO)
40. McNulty (D-NY)
41. Michaud (D-ME)
42. Murtha (D-PA)
43. Murphy, Tim, (R-PA)
44. Neal (D-MA)
45. Ney, Robert W., (R-OH)
46. Northup, Anne M., (R-KY)
47. Nunes, Devin, (R-CA)
48. Obey, James D. (D-MN)
49. Ortiz (D-TX)
50. Otter, C. L. Butch, (R-ID)
51. Pombo, Richard W., (R-CA)
52. Porter, Jon C., (R-NV)
53. Quinn, Jack, (R-NY)
54. Radanovich, George, (R-CA)
55. Renzi, Rick, (R-AZ)
56. Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana, (R-FL)
57. Royce, Edward R., (R-CA)
58. Ryan, Paul, (R-WI)
59. Shaw, E. Clay, (R-FL)
60. Smith, Christopher, (R-NJ)
61. Sullivan, John A., (R-OK)
62. Sweeney, John E., (R-NY)
63. Tauzin, W. J. Billy, (R-LA)
64. Tiberi, Patrick J., (R-OH)
65. Toomey, Patrick J., (R-PA)
66. Vitter, David, (R-LA)
67. Walsh, James T., (R-NY)

I wonder if there's any chance they can get together and issue a rebuttal letter showing how the clear majority of Catholic politicians feel on the issue. On the other hand, there's a handful of pro-choice Catholic "Republicans" in that list.

Also, the following are pro-life Catholic Senators:

Brownback, Sam (R-KS)
Breaux, John B., (D-LA)
Bunning, Jim, (R-KY)
DeWine, Mike, (R-OH)
Domenici, Pete V., (R-NM)
Fitzgerald, Peter G., (R-IL)
Nickles, Don, (R-OK)
Santorum, Rick, (R-PA)
Sununu, John E., (R-NH)
Voinovich, George., (R-OH)


272 posted on 05/20/2004 2:39:28 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

[Bart Stupak, Jim Langevin, Mike Doyle, Tim Ryan and Jim Oberstar. I guess those guys have decided to place politics ahead of their faith.]

They are obeying their faith. These RATS submit to the wills of their Labor Union Masters.


289 posted on 05/20/2004 7:37:17 PM PDT by Kuksool (Get your souls to the polls in November)
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