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Pravda.Ru has been criticised for being anti-American
Pravda ^ | 05/17/2004 | Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

Posted on 05/18/2004 12:02:58 PM PDT by presidio9

We have received a lot of mail in recent weeks complaining about Pravda.Ru in general, and me in particular, being anti-American. This could not be further from the truth.

"Grow up!" "Don't write things against the USA" "Why are there are more and more anti-American articles in Pravda.Ru?". The list of complaints goes on and on, frequently with references to Chechnya, as if this was justification for the act of butchery perpetrated by the Bush regime in Iraq.

Well, why do you think there are more and more articles attacking not America, nor the USA, but the policies of George Bush's fascist regime? Do you think this is because Washington obeys the letter of the law, fulfils its obligations under the international agreements it signs and adopts a foreign policy which is based on the fundamental principles of democracy, namely debate, discussion and dialogue?

Or do you think maybe the reason for the articles criticising the US foreign policy is due to the fact that Washington bases such policy on skulduggery, bullying, cajoling and blackmail, disregards the UNO, derides it as a League of Nations, breaks the UN Charter, breaks the Geneva Convention, slaughters thousands of civilians, deploys DU, drops cluster bombs into civilian areas and purposefully targets civilian infrastructures so that contracts can be handed out, even without tender?

There have been many such articles in Pravda.Ru's pages in recent weeks and there will be many more. This is not due to any innate desire to attack the US foreign policy, but because the US foreign policy is wrong, it is murderous, it is criminal, it is evil. Stop attacking foreign nations, stop dropping cluster bombs in civilian areas for children to play with, stop pointing guns in the faces of six-year-old boys, stop machine-gunning cars crowded with women and children, stop torturing people and lo and behold, the articles will disappear. Plof!

Invoking Russian policy in Chechnya to justify the act of butchery in Iraq is as useless as it is misguided. What has one situation to do with the other? Chechnya is about bandits and murderers, the sort that George Bush sent to their deaths as governor of Texas. In Russia, the death penalty has been abolished.

Chechnya is about a handful of extremists, paid, aided and abetted by foreign elements who wish to destabilise the Russian Federation, by taking advantage of the innate evil in the hearts of these bandits and terrorists.

Chechnya is about armed insurrection which Russia has every right to put down.

Russia does not however drop cluster bombs on civilians, the troops do not force prisoners to commit acts of sodomy. Chechnya is a democracy with a democratic system, which elected Akhmad Kadyrov as the president, murdered by terrorists a week ago.

The United States of America is deploying its forces in an aggressive manner outside its own national frontiers and for this reason, world public opinion is against Washington. Pravda.Ru is a mouthpiece for such opinions and let it be crystal clear that the vast majority of people outside the United States of America agree wholeheartedly with the articles and opinions we have published in our pages.

Were George Bush and his regime to concentrate on domestic affairs, then it would be none of our business. However, while Washington pursues this policy, invades foreign lands and steals their resources, perpetrating acts of butchery and torture in the making, it is not only our right but out obligation as free-thinking people and as journalists with true freedom of expression, to express our views and to uncover the satanistic side of Washington's policy for all to see.

This does not mean that anyone at Pravda.Ru is anti-American. Nobody has anything against the people of the USA, who like anyone else prefer to laugh than to cry, for the same reasons.

Although it would be more comfortable for those who criticise us to read stories which follow the same limited thinking of George Bush, along the lines of "There's the good guy with the white hat and the bad guy with the black hat. The other guy with the grey hat must be bad because his hat ain't white" or "If you aren't with us, you're against us", this is not going to happen because the real world out there is far more complex than this idiotic, blinkered vision of the world that so many people seem to swallow hook, line and sinker.

If freedom and democracy and winning hearts and minds is about machine-gunning three-year-olds, forcing men to suck each other's penises and blasting the limbs off thousands of kids, then nobody outside the USA is very impressed.

Start behaving in a civilised fashion and the slant of the articles will change accordingly. Pravda.Ru follows and practises a policy of freedom of the press. Therefore for certain the calls to "stop writing bad things against America" will for sure stop when America stops perpetrating satanistic and evil acts outside its national frontiers.


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1 posted on 05/18/2004 12:02:59 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
>>>>Therefore for certain the calls to "stop writing bad things against America" will for sure stop when America stops perpetrating satanistic and evil acts outside its national frontiers.


Two words: Chechniyan Barbecue!
2 posted on 05/18/2004 12:05:14 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Wasting away again in Margaritaville.....Not that there's much left to waste.)
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This is how a newspaper defends itself against anti-americanism by attacking america? LOL the hypocracy and idiocy know no bounds.

So we blasted the legs off of thousands of kids and forced kids to give each other oral sex? Nah they arent anti-american no way.


3 posted on 05/18/2004 12:05:23 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually Voted for John Kerry before I voted against Him)
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This is how a newspaper defends itself against anti-americanism by attacking america? LOL the hypocracy and idiocy know no bounds.

So we blasted the legs off of thousands of kids and forced kids to give each other oral sex? Nah they arent anti-american no way.


4 posted on 05/18/2004 12:05:55 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually Voted for John Kerry before I voted against Him)
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OMG. What a bunch of crap. I don't even know where to start with a rebuttal, there's just so much ignorance and stupidity - along with deliberate malice on their part.

Hopefully their meaning was lost in translation. I've seen better attempts a rhetorical fallacy from 6th graders.


5 posted on 05/18/2004 12:08:03 PM PDT by Fenris6
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... disregards the UNO, derides it as a League of Nations, breaks the UN Charter, breaks the Geneva Convention, slaughters thousands of civilians, deploys DU, drops cluster bombs into civilian areas and purposefully targets civilian infrastructures so that contracts can be handed out, even without tender?

What, no documentation? That's an atrocity! Zot bait.

6 posted on 05/18/2004 12:08:52 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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Anti-American? Me? No. That's ignorance...ignorance. Oh, it's true I hate America and it's pig citizens, but anti-American? No. That's ignorance...ignorance. In fact, it's that kind of ignorance that makes me hate america so much.

Moron.

7 posted on 05/18/2004 12:10:10 PM PDT by Rokurota
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the ruskies are anti-american? Gee - what a revelation!


8 posted on 05/18/2004 12:16:57 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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This guy is a Brit living in Portugal. Very anti-American.


9 posted on 05/18/2004 12:28:58 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: presidio9

"...while Washington pursues this policy, invades foreign lands and steals their resources..."

I wish we'd get on with the stealing of resources bit.

I'm paying $2.15 for premium.


10 posted on 05/18/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: Jim Robinson

Is there any reason why trash from these left over commies is posted on Free Republic?


11 posted on 05/18/2004 12:31:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (What left wing lies of the media, the DNC and foreign enemies will we expose today?)
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To: presidio9
when America stops perpetrating satanistic and evil acts outside its national frontiers

Question for Pravda: When did you stop beating your dog/wife? (or are they interchangable?)

12 posted on 05/18/2004 12:33:58 PM PDT by mhking (Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Grampa, you should know me well enough by now to know that I frequently post what the opposition is saying so that we can critque it, and so that we can better understand the liberal thought process. As an added benefit, DU trolls are frequently unable to resist such threads. We caught another one today with a Pravda article on Nick Berg.


13 posted on 05/18/2004 1:00:04 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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The Problem with Pravda
14 posted on 05/18/2004 1:04:55 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: presidio9

You are one of the good guys.

However, there is no need to post what Pravda is spinning.

Ask me or any old Commie follower what the news is, and we can probably summarize what one of the Pravad POS has written about the news or will write about it.

Maybe Jim Rob could creat a special spot with the floor covered by the NY Slimes for Reuters, Pravda, ABCNNBC BS, AFP, Air jreeza and other slimy phony news outlets.

It could be called the Anti: America, conservative, republican, GW, Israel, Christian, Jewish and US Military spin cycle forner.


15 posted on 05/18/2004 1:10:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (What left wing lies of the media, the DNC and foreign enemies will we expose today?)
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To: presidio9
Pravda anti- American? Say it ain't so! /sarcasm
16 posted on 05/18/2004 1:12:58 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Screw Atkins, let's go on a high CARB diet: Keep Cheney, Ashcroft, Rummy and Bush!)
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To: presidio9

And you didn't prov6ide a link?:)


17 posted on 05/18/2004 1:15:21 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Screw Atkins, let's go on a high CARB diet: Keep Cheney, Ashcroft, Rummy and Bush!)
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To: Fenris6
"Hopefully their meaning was lost in translation. I've seen better attempts a rhetorical fallacy from 6th graders."

This is an English language web site. The writers are English not Russian. It has nothing what so ever to do with the Communist era newspaper of the same name. I don't know why anyone pays any attention to it. They are clowns who hardly know how to write a coherent sentence. Why would anyone care about their opinion on anything?
18 posted on 05/18/2004 1:45:14 PM PDT by monday
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To: presidio9

Does he really think the islamofascists won't come after the Commies next?


19 posted on 05/18/2004 2:31:31 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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To: monday

This is an English language web site. The writers are English not Russian. It has nothing what so ever to do with the Communist era newspaper of the same name. ==

You are mistaking here. Pravda.ru comes from same Pravda of previous times.
I for one never read them at all. But I'm veru curious to see there matherials here.

If you publish them you do the impression that all the russian press like Pravda.ru? No.

FOr example www.moscowtimes.ru .
This one published in paper and in the web by american editor in Moscow, Russia.
Or www.russiajournal.com . Good source too.

DOn't read pravda.ru:)


20 posted on 05/18/2004 2:43:04 PM PDT by RusIvan
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