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Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
newsmax.com ^ | May 17, 2004 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 05/17/2004 3:01:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the liberal community and mass media in a panic.

The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during a news conference in Baghdad.

Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.

The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when Hans Blix asked to see them.

The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.

Saddam and Osama

The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad. Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the "no threat here" argument out of the water.

However, that is not enough for the left.

The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.

Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.

Kill U.N. Teams

It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written in English were discovered with the weapons.

The effort to find chemical or biological weapons is being hampered by the vast quantity of conventional munitions stored under dangerous conditions. The Iraqi Army was well known for storing chemical weapons with its conventional explosives.

The Iraqi program to hide its weapons programs from U.N. inspectors was no small effort. Aviation Week and Space Technology noted in an article published in September 2002 that Iraq went to great lengths to conceal its arms technology.

According to Aviation Week, the Iraqis tried to destroy a German aircraft and its crew on a U.N. mission. The Iraqis were trying to prevent documents produced by the U.N. inspectors from leaving the country.

The U.N. documents covered details found on Iraq's nuclear weapons programs and a blueprint for aggressive, military-backed, inspections to root out the underground WMD programs. The documents also contained "rough" details of Iraqi command authorities, weapons production and delivery systems.

France and Russia

Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and his own people.

The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq's arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.

It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell, that foiled the terrorist attack. The "binary" chemical weapons design has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.

Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the arms he purchased from Russia.

The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military machine.

According to "Russian Military Power" published in 1982, "It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents." The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were "nerve" gas and "blistering agents - developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I."

Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled with chemical weapons.

Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air superiority.

The Next Attack

We are indeed fortunate that the two weapons discovered so far were not used correctly. However, it is clear, that much like cockroaches - when your find one it is an indication of many more. Saddam did not make just one - he made tons.

Saddam had 220 tons of nerve gas, counted previously by U.N. inspectors that he could not declare to Hans Blix. The deadly gas, and the delivery systems, vanished into the Iraqi desert and points beyond.

U.S. satellite's detected large convoys of unspecified equipment flowing over the Iraqi/Syrian border just prior to the war. The General in charge of our space assets has publicly noted the photos showing what appeared to be weaponry passed from Iraq to Syria.

We all know from the anti-war fanatics that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - the leftist media and pundits have pounded that assertion into the American TV fact file. We are told again and again that George Bush lied.

The recent discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq is clearly proof that it was Saddam Hussein that was lying. Saddam lied about his weapons and has hidden more than one for future use.

The fact is the left will not be satisfied with the recent discovery. How many need to be found - two - ten - a thousand? The left does not feel that any number of these dangerous weapons reaches the level of adequate proof.

Yet, the one important question they will not answer is: How many have to die from such a weapon to qualify?


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To: gortklattu

As far as the first two items on your list go, Freepers are the same. I love the "but it was just a small amount" comments--when it takes only a very tiny amount to be lethal.


21 posted on 05/17/2004 3:18:56 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I listened to a whole hour of NPR's "Some Things Considered" and heard 1/2 hour of "Gay Things Considered" and some stuff about foreign workers here earning money and sending it home... Hmmm. I guess they forgot about this.Must've slipped their puny little minds.

Marie's Hubby

22 posted on 05/17/2004 3:19:14 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat)
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To: gortklattu

It'll be quite funny to watch the leftists change their propaganda from "NO WMDs! NO WMDs!" to "NO STOCKPILES! NO STOCKPILES!"


23 posted on 05/17/2004 3:21:52 PM PDT by BombHollywood
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To: gortklattu
4. It was probably scavenged.
5. This isn't the tip of the iceberg, we knew all along there was going to be random agents found
6. Brought in by insurgents.

I have already seen them all. MSNBC was running this story about third down on their rung of important stories behind the "Major Blow" about the killing of the head of the Iraqi governing council.

Unbelievable
24 posted on 05/17/2004 3:31:34 PM PDT by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: gortklattu
Look at this crap.

Rummy picked the shell up from Pine Bluff before his visit to Iraq

25 posted on 05/17/2004 3:33:19 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: gortklattu

Liberal lemmings take heed of Mssrs. Kerry, Hersh & Moore, and make their way to the cliff's edge.

26 posted on 05/17/2004 3:33:24 PM PDT by jla (http://johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hans Blix says it's not a sign of WMD. Therefore this does not qualify... Of course, Blix and his employees are still cashing their checks from the UN "oil for food" scandal.


27 posted on 05/17/2004 3:40:41 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Questions:Did they know it contained Sarin?

If they didn't, they sure do now. I hope we find the group that did this and the rest of the shells fast.

28 posted on 05/17/2004 3:41:01 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's floats, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'm afraid this will come to nothing.
29 posted on 05/17/2004 3:42:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Kerry: The Arrogance of Amerika)
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To: jla; Registered; MeekOneGOP
"Maybe we ought to put hoods on Kerry, Lil' Hi'ry, Seymour Hersh, et al and have them lie atop each other in a pyramid form."

Sounds like a job fer Registered...MUD

BTW...don't fergit PhatTeddyK!!

30 posted on 05/17/2004 3:45:49 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; BombHollywood
This changes everything. Stop all the investigations, and finger pointing, and crying about how this was "an illegal war". America was right, and Saddam was a threat. Even if the left does change it's tone to "no stockpiles" I think most American's will realize that SADDAM HAD WMD'S! I hope the people exposed to it will be o.k, and that the terrorist never figure out how to use it effectively.
31 posted on 05/17/2004 3:47:31 PM PDT by massiveblob
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To: lt.america
Details from MSNBC's so-called journalism. Let me point out the obvious biased wording for all to see. "

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A roadside bomb thought to contain deadly sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. It was believed to be the first confirmed discovery of any of the banned weapons that the United States cited in making its case for the Iraq war.........

Two former weapons inspectors — Hans Blix and David Kay — said the shell was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons...........

But Kay, the former chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, said the discovery does not provide evidence that Saddam was secretly producing weapons of mass destruction after the Gulf War, as alleged by the Bush administration to justify the war that removed him from power. "

32 posted on 05/17/2004 3:47:46 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("A rich man has no need of character. " ~John Kerry's favorite Hebrew Proverb~)
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To: Mike Darancette
"...this will come to nothing."

Nope, my FRiend, you are wrong...the Vast, LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd no longer controls news in America.

The Truth will TRUMP the DemonRATS' spin!!

FReegards...MUD

33 posted on 05/17/2004 3:47:53 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: gortklattu
You forgot one (if you haven't heard it already):

You think that it's a coincidence that Rummy was in Iraq just before Sarin gas was mysteriously found? HMMMMMMmmmmmm?

34 posted on 05/17/2004 3:52:43 PM PDT by cincinnati65 (Rooting for the Panthers since 1995.......)
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To: gortklattu

The media's unprecedented allengiance to the Democratic Party during this political season has put them in a very precarious situation. Their irrational exhuberance to topple Bush has left them so over exposed, that they are now literally fighting for their survival as an influential entity in this country.

Their position is so irrational, that not only have they ignored what many of their Democratic brethern have said in the past regarding WMDs and Saddam's terrorist ties...the media itself has ignored their own reports and stories from only a few short years ago, which all support the claims Bush has made.

The desire to advance their own partisan, political agenda has now jepoardized their credibility...which for a journalist, is all they really have. They will continue to fight and spin it to the end...but when the dust finally settles, hopefully we won't have just defeated the enemy from abroad, we will have also defeated the enemy from within.

Unfortunately, they are well aware of this and this is why they will never concede. This is why if and when stockpiles of WMDs are ever found, it will be the media leading the charge with "Bush planted them." This is why they allow conspiracy theories to fly around unchallenged, when they would never give this same credibility to theories coming from the right...at least without not first labeling them as part of the VRWC. This is war...and they can't afford to lose.


35 posted on 05/17/2004 3:55:07 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: skeeter
They're doing follow up stories regarding much more serious abuse now. All based on heresay, of course. I figgur they could go a for another month this way.

I heard on the radio today that the NYT, of all people, says that Lynndie England gave a sworn statement saying that the "prison abuse" was not interrogation, but that they just did it because it was "fun." I haven't seen it posted here yet, and I really don't want to go to the NYT site.

36 posted on 05/17/2004 3:56:07 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: skeeter

They could find the warehouse of WMD's and the press would totally ignore it, like they did with Nick Berg's murder last week.


37 posted on 05/17/2004 4:03:24 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: gortklattu
The liberals are already spinning this:

1. It was only one shell

2. It didn't kill anyone

3. We were lied to because Bush said there were stockpiles.

You forgot the most important one: 4. It's Bush's fault.

Don't quite know how, but somehow, he did something and it's his fault. It rained here earlier. It was his fault. The hypocrisies who run the Left's spin machine (Dan Rather and company) will be working overtime on this one to somehow blame Bush.

38 posted on 05/17/2004 4:04:28 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: lt.america

Take a look for the story on the CNN front page. You'll be looking for a while since they took the story off the front page. Apparently a predicted busy hurricane season, Bono addressing Ivy League grads, and transsexuals in the Olympics are more important.


39 posted on 05/17/2004 4:08:51 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

Don't sweat it!

I'm sure there's an embed somewhere that has a picture of Rumsfeld smuggling the shell into the country over the weekend during his official visit.


40 posted on 05/17/2004 4:15:44 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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