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1 posted on 05/17/2004 7:06:40 AM PDT by qam1
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2 posted on 05/17/2004 7:08:38 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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The bible says that faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

These guys are telling us that faith and hearing come by being cool enough to relate to today's youth.

People who adopt christinaity because it's cool are missing the boat. John would say when they leave eventually that they never knew us.

3 posted on 05/17/2004 7:13:46 AM PDT by kjam22
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"We're all sinners," he said. "Your sin isn't any worse than my sin. We don't say, 'Stop the horrible gays.' You want to reach them, you don't want to protest them. If we looked like goody-two-shoes, clean cut, we couldn't have a conversation with our lesbian friend at the coffee shop, because she couldn't relate."

While this is a sloppy way of saying it, and I don't entirely agree with the application, I have to admit this comment reminded me of I Corinthians 5:9-10 "I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world."

6 posted on 05/17/2004 7:20:35 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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I can understand the need for people to relate to a younger crowd in order to get them interested in Christianity, but this "Jesus is my homeboy" stuff is blasphemous, IMO. It's clearly a mockery of Christianity, considering the works and deeds of people like Madonna and Ashton Kutcher, who are the ones wearing the gear and leading the pop-marketing trend. It's sick.

I'm the Youth Advisor for our Church, and I see no need to use these silly t-shirts to reach out to the youth. The Word of God is, and should always be, enough. Bending the word of God by creating slogans in order to "get" to youth is the wrong approach. I've found that being able to RELATE the word of God to situations they're dealing with, and in turn giving them heros to look up to, to be the most effective method.


7 posted on 05/17/2004 7:22:00 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("A sword day! A red day, 'ere the sun rises!")
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It seems we need to split the described youth into two groups. Those that where "WWJD" t-shirts because it's cool and those that are truly pursuing the faith and are interested in more than a social club. Personally, I find this article inspiring.

The Revival will not be televised...

8 posted on 05/17/2004 7:24:20 AM PDT by Pete
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As mainline churches scramble to retain young people,...

Mainline churches = weak, Godless, men-pleasing, spiritually dead, mausoleums with emptying pews.

In most "mainline churches" Christ is not preached, repentence not mentioned, holiness not spoken of, the Bible is never referenced, and Christ's return is considered a scary fairy tale believed only by those icky fundamentalists who believe what the Bible says.

9 posted on 05/17/2004 7:25:43 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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He remembers how much he enjoyed the Christian comic books of his youth.

I entered the Kingdom of God one dark night in 1985 after reading a Jack Chick comic about two Christian dudes going around the world in bell bottoms doing good. The one on the end times literally scared the Hell out of me.

18 posted on 05/17/2004 7:34:34 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Terri Schiavo deserves to have her wishes followed--Grant her a divorce.)
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People may think they can meet in a "gym" and discuss the Bible but in the end you have people who don't know what they're talking about. Is it any wonder these people say homosexuality is just another sin and we're all sinners?

The church is losing it doctrinal integrity by pastors and priests who spend more time thinking up social programs to do and by people who don't actually study the Bible outside the context of Lord of the Rings or the DaVinci Codes.


23 posted on 05/17/2004 7:37:48 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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I am not into the trendy thing myself, but the bottom line question is whether or not a person loves Jesus.

Much of the rest can be sorted out to immaturity.
30 posted on 05/17/2004 7:45:35 AM PDT by Preachin' (Democrats are liars...)
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"If we looked like goody-two-shoes, clean cut, we couldn't have a conversation with our lesbian friend at the coffee shop, because she couldn't relate."

Why not? I can't talk to folks from different walks of life because I don't look like them? I surf with Christians, I hunt with Christians, I break bread with pastors, pray with firemen, and hold the hand of small children. They all look different, dress different, act different. No judgement on their appearance.

I'm afraid these folks might be too focused on "glossies" instead of the content. I'll take fire and brimstone, son - that's about as real as it gets.

33 posted on 05/17/2004 7:48:22 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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The message must never change, but the vessel that presents that message MUST always change and adapt. Otherwise, we'd still be doing our services in people's homes, in Aramaic or Greek.


37 posted on 05/17/2004 7:51:52 AM PDT by Terabitten (The bullet the Democrats and the media fired at the President killed Nick Berg.)
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As a Catholic gen-X-er, I find the Latin Mass very appealing.

My regular parish does not offer a Latin Mass, but I try to enjoy the beautiful Latin language at least once a month at another church.

Yes, the Bible studies and other informal meetings are great, but I crave the formality and reverence of the Mass.

As the article points out, the fact that I can connect with ancient Christians via religious rites is important to me.

43 posted on 05/17/2004 7:55:01 AM PDT by george wythe
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"For when David had served God's purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed.
Acts 13:36

Let us act like David and serve our own generation. In Heaven we will hear those words, " Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!"

50 posted on 05/17/2004 7:58:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Critics say this engagement comes at a price. Timothy Williams, 48, a pastor at Sound Doctrine Ministries, a non-denominational church in Enumclaw, Wash., sees flirtation with pop culture as a capitulation to sin. "More and more, the church is seeking to be like the world around it," said Williams, who has written a pamphlet denouncing Christian rock. "But the Bible says that anyone who becomes a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. If we're going to be relevant or on the world's level to draw people, we might as well give free beer in the parking lot."

Personally, I credit the music of Christian heavy metal band Stryper for helping planting a seed in me that was used to open me up to listening to what my Christian friends were saying to me in their attempts to witness to me. When somebody knows nothing about Jesus perhaps it is sometimes best to speak to them in a language they understand, this may be through the types of music they listen to. To say that Christian rock is bad is wrong, Christian rock may be a tool used to speak to a non-believing person and God may use this to bring them to the point of searching for the truth.

Anyone who thinks Christian rock is so bad may want to check out Neal Morse's Testimony album. Very powerful lyrics of one mans journey from rock star to Christian. One of the most inspiring testimonies I've heard.

Did Jesus not teach to go out into the world and be a light to the world, isn't there scripture that tells christians to go out into the world and preach to non believers in their language?

51 posted on 05/17/2004 7:58:50 AM PDT by sleeper-has-awakened
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If we looked like goody-two-shoes, clean cut, we couldn't have a conversation with our lesbian friend at the coffee shop, because she couldn't relate."

I have no problem with that at all. I think we can (we must) reach out to homosexuals to evangelize them, and we must oppose the radical agenda in our schools, community and government.

62 posted on 05/17/2004 8:04:21 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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"This could be the first get-down rock 'n' roll, cool Christian brand," he said.

Judging by Steven's choice of words here I'd say chances of that are pretty slim.

68 posted on 05/17/2004 8:08:57 AM PDT by skeeter
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Williams, who has written a pamphlet denouncing Christian rock

Why???? I think it's a great thing and gives you a real, good alternative
79 posted on 05/17/2004 8:17:45 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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"My generation is discontented with dead religion," said Cameron Strang, 28, founder of Relevant Media, which produces Christian books, a Web site and Relevant magazine, a stylish 70,000-circulation bimonthly that addresses topics like body piercing, celibacy, extreme prayer, punk rock and God.
Unfortunately, in ten years his religion will likely be a dead religion too. This was tried in the '60s and early '70s.
82 posted on 05/17/2004 8:21:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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Much of what I see in NYC is church-as-religion-themed-social-club.


103 posted on 05/17/2004 9:13:01 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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Huh. My orthodox Episcopal parish does pretty well with keeping kids in church. We find that they actually like a formal liturgy, the old hymns, and all of the ceremonial trappings. Why do they like it?

For one thing, it's because we (both clergy and lay people) are serious about our Christianity. Also, we give them an island of stability in a very confusing world. Third, we genuinely love our kids, but they're still kids, and we teach them as such -- and the kids appreciate it. Fourth, we give them a meaningful part of our services -- we have two kids' choirs, a youth choir, and a thriving acolyte program.

IOW, it's not hard to keep kids in church. As with most of what ails society these days, we need only remind ourselves that we are the grown-ups, and the kids are not.

137 posted on 05/17/2004 10:16:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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