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The Coming Whirlwind
origional | 5/16/2004 | TasmanianRed

Posted on 05/16/2004 12:45:09 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED

WESTERN CIVILIZATION IN 8 EASY PARAGRAPHS

The history of civilization is the history of war. The major shifts in the history of the world always follow the clash of civilizations and cultures. Wars between nations only marginally changes things, cultures do not fall.

If you look at the 100 years war in Europe , nothing fundamentally changed. England was still England, France was still France. With the American Revolution nothing fundamentally changed. England's colonial strength was diminished but England didn't change. America still spoke English, still embraced a Western style culture and still considered England out cousins. The multitude of petty wars between the nations of Europe for 1000 years did not fundamentally change the society.

World War I caused a shift in styles of government in Russia, from Monarchy to Soviet Style despotism but nothing changed fundamentally. Religious worship was discouraged but it was still practiced. It was still a nation of families even if the secret police knocked at the door. The peasants under the tsar were poor and drank vodka, the comrades remained poor and drank vodka.

The Wars that have caused sweeping changes occur between cultures. Rome fell partially from internal decay but an invasion from uneducated, brutal Barbarians swept through and culture was lost. What followed was 1000 years of darkness in Western Europe while Eastern Europe flourished. When Roman civilization was swept away. Islam advanced into the void and occupied all of North Africa, Spain, Portugal and crept into much of Europe. Factionalism and tribalism dominated the North. The Islamic portion of Europe was a civilization of brutality but it also had order, education for some and the arts. The Moors occupied Spain until 1492.

Constantinople was the center of the civilized Western world, it was the center of Christianity. Civilization moved east from Europe to Eurasia.

It took the influx of greater barbarians, the Mongols to sweep Western Europe clean of Islam. The Mongols (1250-1300) advanced as far as Baghdad before becoming assimilated. They brought barbarity but did not bring culture. Western Europe was swept clear of the Islam but Islam is always on the move and as they contracted in the west they moved on the east

.At the turn of this millennium , the world looked very much like it did at the turn of the last millennium. A warlike Islamic foe to the south and the budding cultures of the North cowering in anticipation of the Islamic onslaught but not actually prepared to meet it. The Balkans took the brunt of the onslaught. Vlad the impaler and the Turks, It took brutal opposition to counter brutal assault. In Vienna the Moslem hordes flung the heads of the slain defenders over the walls.

It took time but Constantinople was also swept away. (1400-1500) The Cathedral of San Sophia became a Mosque, Constantinople that stood since 300 AD became Istanbul. The Ottoman turks invaded the Balkans and India. The final attempt to conquer Europe came in the late 1600's and it was from the far Eastern approach.

The wars of the last millennium were essentially wars between peers. Lance, bow, and warhorse and sword were unchanged for many centuries. As Islam retreated East, they also retreated inward. The Islamic scholars preserved the knowledge of the Greeks, the Romans, the Indians, even did some work in algebra and geometry . As the Islamic world contracted they also stagnated. Nothing of value to the world at large has come from Islam in 5 centuries.

CURRENT STATUS

In 2004 we are again facing an all out war, we have been facing it for the past 50 years but the west has failed to recognize it. The nature of the conflict will be much different because the tactics involved have been different. Many of the major cities of Europe have been colonized by the Islamacists. Paris, London, Berlin,Madrid the nations of Denmark, Norway, Sweden all have large Islamic populations. These have quietly been the shock forces, They are fifth columnists in residence in the west.

The US has always been a nation of immigrants, Social Studies used to sing the praises of the melting pot. No matter where you came from , you came to be an American first. You assimilated and the nation of origin was celebrated in the neighborhoods, the restaurants , and the kitchens of the country. In the wave of PC insanity in the past 15 years, we have new code words, Diversity. You come and you become an American second. First you keep your own culture and then attempt to undermine your new home.

Europe, decimated in population from 2 Major world wars in the past century and the slaughter in the death camps, invited immigration from the colonies to bolster their populations. They set up greedy, resource sucking socialist systems. The nature of these socialist governments is to reign in innovation, discourage achievement and to prosper corrupt politicians.

LEFTIST ELITISM

The leftists love elitism . To them socialism and despotism are interchangeable because the guiding feature is the elitism. To them it is right and proper that the few should reign over, and reign in the many. They only chafe when it is themselves that are reigned in. They went from " If it feels good , do it, Don't trust any one over 30, Down with the establishment, to being the establishment. On colleges and in high schools they do not hesitate at squelching the free speech rights of conservatives while giving full vent to terrorists. They attempt to squelch the right to self defense of the law abiding citizens while claiming that the predators of society are misunderstood victims and should be given a pass. They decry the punishment of the victimizers of society through the death penalty while embracing the blood lust of abortion as a right and good thing.

The left lives in an upside down world. The excesses of any dictator are to be little noticed. It is right and proper that the few have control of the many. The slaughter of massive populations of civilians by communist dictatorships are to be concealed, it is right and proper that the few have control of the many especially if they embrace the socialist ideal. After all a few broken eggs on the way to nirvana are to be expected.

The left through 30 years of education, indoctrination, entertainment, feminism , embracing the sanctity of victim status and socialism has succeeded in emasculating Europe and have largely emasculated the United States.

The Leftists live in a delusional world. They refused to see the truth of Stalin, of Mao and of Castro. They wish to be judged by the content of their hearts not the consequences of their actions, therefore they apply the same standards to their hero's and overlook the killing fields of Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and the former Soviet Union.

PASCIFISM

The leftists always learn the wrong lesson from History, it is a product of judging intent rather actions. As the Empire of Britain began breaking up in this century, a man in India arose by the name of Ghandi. Ghandi essentially formed the modern nation of India through a tactic of nonviolent protest. The leftists have embraced the non-violence concept without understanding why it worked. Non violence as a political tactic can only work when your opponents place a higher value on human life than you do yourself. Non violent protest worked with Britain because the Brits were too decent to fire on unarmed people. Fast forward to the later part of this century. Non violent protest in Tienamen Square in China. The Chinese Communists had not one ounce of reticence in crushing the uprising. Tanks and guns were used very effectively against the unarmed. The independence movement in China came to a screeching halt.

The leftists in their inability to learn the true lessons of history think that pacifism will work with Islamofascists.. They think if you understand terrorists and placate them , you can make them like you . They assume they will be left alone. Look at Sudan, look at Niger. The slaughter of Christians takes place on a daily basis but none of these people offer a threat to Islam.

They are preconditioned by their socialism to hate America and hate Western civilization therefore they ally themselves with anybody else including the Terrorists that equally hate America. They do not see the true nature of our opponent. The islamofascists would burn every American city to the ground, They would have the head of every Western man, woman and child hanging on a pike. The leftists deny this but they have many years of practice ignoring mass graves and minimizing true atrocities.

Pacifism is the art of making a virtue of the vice of cowardice. Pacifism has a very bad history of leading to more bloodshed than wars do. When Chamberlain returned to England declaring peace in our day, he condemned the millions of Jews, Catholics, gypsies, gays to slaughter. England and Europe did not avoid war. Instead of armies fighting, Germany brought the war to the civilians of England and many were crushed as the buildings of London crashed down on them.

THE COMING WAR

The war between cultures coming. The Bush Administration if allowed to succeed in Iraq and the war on terror may put it off for a generation or two. If it fails we will reap the whirlwind immediately. Sooner or later the whirlwind is coming , it cannot be avoided.

The Islamisists have always been expansionists, once an Moslem has stood on a territory it is theirs for all time. It doesn't matter if they have been absent for 1000 years it is still theirs. Their population is burgeoning, although their members make up different cultures and nations, the same crazed blood lust flows. Islamic militias have been slaughtering in the Far East, Oriental East, the Island East. They hack and burn through Christian and animus Africa. The blood has flowed in the Europe and in the United States.

For the past 30 years the West has been in denial that Islam had declared war on us. During the 1970's and 1980's the West was content to let Israel be the surrogate accepting all the blows from the Islamacists. During the 90's the US was attacked more directly during World Trade Center I, the attacks on multiple embassy's and attacks on military compounds on foreign soil. The Clinton administration pretended that these were law enforcement issues to be dealt with through legal means.

ISLAMOFASCISM

The Islamofascist burns with hate and they hate all equally. They hate Israel first because it is present on the land mass that they have claimed for all time. The deny that the Jews have a right to exist anywhere but especially in the Middle East. They deny the documentable evidence that there has been a Jewish presence in the Middle East for 3000 years, despite the diasporia.

They hate the United States and they hate the West. Various apologists have claimed it is because of our decadence, our freedoms, our affluence. These are nothing but excuses and feeble explanations. They hate us because they are racked soul and mind with inferiority. They hate us because we are the infidel. They hate us because our success diminishes themselves in their own eyes.

The Islamic world has been in decline for five centuries . In their deluded of victim mentality, they have to look outside themselves for the source of their inferiority. They are fundamentally incapable of looking inside themselves to see that the source of their inferiority is themselves and their psychotic culture.

The feeling of inferiority is among the most excruciating of human experiences. Many defense mechanisms protect one from acknowledging these feelings. Defense mechanisms such as Excessive macho- ism , denigration of women , Slave ownership, honor killing and brutality.

The wound is individual and cultural, brought about by a culture in decline and deplorable education but it is primarily a sexual wound. It is a culture that fears women and the generative power of women. They are so empty of value as men that they know they have nothing but force to hold a woman to them. They know they do not deserve love and devotion. In the madrassas they draw depictions of vaginas on the black boards and teach young boys that this: the vagina is the source of honor. They hide women under burka's, beat or murder those that venture on the street alone. They prevent education. Many of the cultures demand clitorectomy . They demand honor killings of the defiled or the assumed defiled females. They order the punishment by rape of the innocent sisters of male offenders.

It all stems from being unlovable and unworthy. Mother will abandon me, wife will abandon me if they only know how worthless I am. They teach, preach and embrace that woman is the source of all sin because they are incapable of owning their own sin.

The sexual nature of this wound is reflected in a belief system that the ultimate reward for death during the slaughter of the infidel is a heaven of 72 virgins and unlimited license of indulgence in vice. Even in the afterlife fear of comparison and slavishly attentive females serving dominate the psyche. It is the rewards of an immature , juvenile repressed mind.

We are told that Islam is a religion of peace by those unwilling to condemn a billion Muslims. Being extremely generous assume that 90% are peaceful. That still leaves a million Islamofascist more than willing to die themselves for the sake of 72 virgins as long as they can slaughter us. A million combatants make a very formidable foe. The truth is that of the 90% that are peaceful more like 50% are willing to embrace the effects of the Islamofascists. Despite Arafat's censorship we saw the Palestinians dance and cheer in the streets 9/11. There is much cheering over spilling of American blood.

THE WHIRLWIND IS COMING

In my own long winded fashion I have described both history and the context of the present.

A culture of backward fanatical barbarians , with access to technology, a willingness to commit any atrocity to anybody is coming into conflict with an advanced civilization decayed by feminism, socialism, elitism and loss of faith. The west is already imbedded by the advance forces of Islam through 50 years of immigration and cultural diversity. We look a lot like Rome before the fall, weakened from within, power hungry politicians more concerned with their own power than in the safety of the nation.

The Christian faith has been under assault for 50 years in the West. The leftists through judicial activism have wretched it from the public square and from schools. They have ridiculed it in entertainment and art. They have slandered and denigrated it. Europe is almost entirely secular but Christianity flourished still the United States. Faith matters in the coming conflict. The faithless submit easily. When the here and now is all you have and all you will ever have you will submit to preserve your life. You will surrender freedom, possessions and family as long as you get to keep your own life.

The organizations tasked with protecting us have been hamstrung by the elitists. Gorelick and her memo prevented the proper investigation prior to the threat, The commission investigating the commission of 9/11 is intent on concealing the failings of it's hero, Bill Clinton and pinning the blame on George Bush through what ever means possible. The PC police prevent anyone from describing the true nature of the conflict, demonizing anyone who dares speak the truth.

The alignment with the leftist in the media and the leftists in government , education and our social structures by their actions demand that more American's die. The men and women of the US that elect to serve and defend are portrayed as depraved sexually and as baby killers. They celebrate with the Islamofascists every setback that the US has in the war on terrorism.

The whirl wind is coming. Unless Islamofascism is stopped and a democracy is implanted in Iraq then the major cities of the United States and Europe will become the new Jerusalems. There will be daily bombings, their will be daily slaughter of innocents ala John Mohammed in Virginia and Maryland. With each incident the left will cry why do they hate us and demand more submission, more following the French model. The United Nations using the model of Israel will condemn any attempt to defend ourselves.

Old Europe has lost by surrender already. New Europe of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania may survive. There is vigor in the people, in Christianity and in manhood. They will fight long and hard.

It may take 50 years but those offspring of ours that manage to survive will pray facing Mecca if this Islamofascism is allowed to continue With a clash of cultures it is not always the most barbaric and uncivilized that succeeds. It is the side that fights relentlessly, with vigor, that useses all its resources and persists despite setback... One way or the other the bloodbath is coming, the only factor as yet undecided is whether more of them or more of us die.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; culture; islam; mediabias; religionofpeace; socialism; war; westerncivilization
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To: TASMANIANRED
OMG!-- Are You trying to tell us that the Entire "IslamoFascist Jihad" is based on, "PENIS ENVY???"

How Droll.

&, Sadly, there MAY BE an element of truth in that Thesis.

So, How does one "Castrate the Rabid Hoards??"--one REMOVES their "Source of Power!"

Mecca, Medina, Qom, & a few other "Nexus' of Power need to CEASE TO EXIST.

NOTHING "Deflates a Man" Faster than the Eradication of the Source of his Erotic Dreams.

Just a Thought

Doc

41 posted on 05/16/2004 3:18:43 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: TASMANIANRED
The men and women of the US that elect to serve and defend are portrayed as depraved sexually and as baby killers.

If ever a whirldwind were deserved it would be on account of the millions of innocent lives we've snuffed out for the sake of "convenience."

42 posted on 05/16/2004 3:25:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: TASMANIANRED
Pacifism is the art of making a virtue of the vice of cowardice. Pacifism has a very bad history of leading to more bloodshed than wars do. When Chamberlain returned to England declaring peace in our day, he condemned the millions of Jews, Catholics, gypsies, gays to slaughter. England and Europe did not avoid war. Instead of armies fighting, Germany brought the war to the civilians of England and many were crushed as the buildings of London crashed down on them.

Thanks for the post.

43 posted on 05/16/2004 3:30:21 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

More of them AND more of us are going to die.
Without Islamic reformation, the world is looking at a blood
bath the likes of which WW I pale in comparison.


44 posted on 05/16/2004 3:32:44 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

well, while you are syncretizing one great lump of history into one giant conglomerate rock, I would make this point:
the current view of the litterati is that the struggle with the islamic extremists isn't really directed at the west...it's really about a power struggle within islam between the moderates and the radicals...a fight for the islamic soul. i disagree...i think this is a continuation
of a war that has gone on for 1400 yrs...the west gained the upper hand c1700 and by 1800, the west was so dominant that the islamic threat has been largely forgotten...but THEY'RE BACK.

it's a war of civilizations.

oh, the other day on tv I saw the new robot made by honda. it was amazingly flexible. now, it undoubtedly has many flaws, but who knows? i could well see a future where, having aborted our biological children, our robotic kids slay moslems and negate their "population weapon"

lets face it....mass production made the west!


45 posted on 05/16/2004 3:36:14 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: TASMANIANRED
A large number of the Mongol leaders were Nestorian Christians. Too bad the Crusader states didn't ally with them or teach them the importance of horse shoes.
46 posted on 05/16/2004 3:40:46 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Comus
It has been accomplished step by step and incrementally.

It has worked and the young people growing up accept it, as if it had been the way for a long time. The constitution has been surplanted by regulations, courts, states ( granting drivers licenses to illegals, along with the right to vote); throwing huge numbers of voters interested in the largesse (socialistic government) into what was already balanced on its edge, with the result going mainly to the democrats.

Too bad for our side. What will it take to change the current course????????????????????????

47 posted on 05/16/2004 3:41:11 PM PDT by geologist
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To: A Navy Vet; bang_list
Do you think for a moment that 80,000,000 American gun-owners will allow our women and children to be slaughtered on a regular basis, ala Israel? They will have no where to hide or run. I only hope it doesn't come to this.

Hate to break it to you, sir, but the citizens of this country will be effectively disarmed in less than 5 years. Kerry is going to win and a major gun control initiative will be implemented by 2006. Unfortunately, most law abiding folks will turn their swords into plowshares.

48 posted on 05/16/2004 3:42:11 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"...I don't see how we're going to clean up our country."

I do, and it isn't pretty.


49 posted on 05/16/2004 3:49:36 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: TASMANIANRED

A new word for the leftist eleites: pacifascists.


50 posted on 05/16/2004 3:50:45 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: TASMANIANRED
You summed the current situation up perfectly.

Now let us focus on the counters and solutions to this problem. The first order of business is to keep the President in office.

This means we have to work HARD to re-elect the President and also give our troops complete and total support

Our first and foremost priority is to let our guys over there know that we support them and their mission to combatting terrorism

Write letters, hold rallies, do whatever we must do, but we cannot leave our people hanging out there wondering are they being supported back home

51 posted on 05/16/2004 4:11:59 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: tet68

"More of them AND more of us are going to die.
Without Islamic reformation, the world is looking at a blood
bath the likes of which WW I pale in comparison."

I agree with the blood bath part but there is a significant difference. The last of the truely heroic military stances of Arab men was in WWI with Lawrence of Arabia uniting the tribes of the Arabian peninsula.

In the 6 Day War, the Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians massed a massive army to move against Israel. Israel defeated them . It wasn't effortless and the carnage was massive but they defeated a substantially larger force through better tactics and high motivation. The price of defeat was potentially the slaughter of about 1/2 of the remaining Jews left on the planet. They had to fight to the death.

Since the 6 Day War, Moslems have not had the stomach for a frontal assault on armies, they run and loose every time.

As in Iraq and Israel they snipe from concealment and they make war on Women and children. The Palestenians consider it a high achievement to gun down pregnant women and children.


They choose the undefended target and strike by steath. They have a very different concept of honor.


52 posted on 05/16/2004 4:23:03 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What do they call children in Palestine? Unexploded ordinance)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Wow, that is an amazing post. Thank you! I want to reflect on this before I respond on the substance, but I will.

Thank you for posting these very insightful thoughts.


53 posted on 05/16/2004 4:30:19 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("The only important lesson of Vietnam is this: Democrats lose wars." -- Ann Coulter, Treason)
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To: TASMANIANRED

On the money.

I believe it will happen before my life is over.


54 posted on 05/16/2004 4:50:10 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Doc On The Bay
"OMG!-- Are You trying to tell us that the Entire "IslamoFascist Jihad" is based on, "PENIS ENVY???" How Droll."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "penis envy" something Freudian psychology accuses women of having?

Islam does have a prominent fear of women, though and I believe the essay's author is correct in pointing that out.

Taking out the "source of their power" is one idea, but that's likely to give the radical Islamist leaders the "proof" they need to further inflame their weak minded followers.

Personally, I prefer Israel's current strategy of targeting those same radical leaders. The weak minded followers are easily lead and are easily cowed by superior fire power that targets the people who give the marching orders and the inspirational speeches. If "follow the leader" means and early and violent death, then perhaps they might choose to follow a different voice and choose a different path.

55 posted on 05/16/2004 4:59:34 PM PDT by GBA
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To: TASMANIANRED; Seadog Bytes
The whirl wind is coming. Unless Islamofascism is stopped and a democracy is implanted in Iraq then the major cities of the United States and Europe will become the new Jerusalems ....

Interesting reading.
It reminded me of the following is from Tony Blankley on John Lewis Gaddis' opinion that President Bush has developed and is ably implementing only the third American grand strategy in our history. (Gaddis is the Robert A. Lovett professor of military and naval history at Yale University. The Boston Globe describes Mr. Gaddis as "the dean of Cold War studies and one of the nation's most eminent diplomatic historians.")

"...That brings the professor to George W.Bush, who he describes as undergoing "one of the most surprising transformations of an underrated national leader since Prince Hal became Henry V." Clearly, Mr. Gaddis has not been a long-time admirer of Mr. Bush. But he is now.

He observes that Mr. Bush "undertook a decisive and courageous reassessment of American grand strategy following the shock of the 9/11 attacks. At his doctrine's center, Bush placed the democratization of the Middle East and the urgent need to prevent terrorists and rogue states from getting nuclear weapons. Bush also boldly rejected the constraints of an outmoded international system that was really nothing more that a snapshot of the configuration of power that existed in 1945."

In assessing Mr. Bush's progress to date, the Boston Globe quotes Mr. Gaddis: "So far the military action in Iraq has produced a modest improvement in American and global economic conditions; an intensified dialogue within the Arab world about political reform; a withdrawal of American forces from Saudi Arabia; and an increasing nervousness on the part of the Syrian and Iranian governments as they contemplated the consequences of being surrounded by American clients or surrogates. The United States has emerged as a more powerful and purposeful actor within the international system than it had been on September 11, 2001."

In another recent article, written before the Iraqi war, Mr. Gaddis wrote: "[Bush's] grand strategy is actually looking toward the culmination of the Wilsonian project of a world safe for Democracy, even in the Middle East. And this long-term dimension of it, it seems to me, goes beyond what we've seen in the thinking of more recent administrations. It is more characteristic of the kind of thinking, say, that the Truman administration was doing at the beginning of the Cold War."

Is Mr. Bush becoming an historic world leader in the same category as FDR, as the eminent Ivy League professor argues? Or is he just a lying nitwit, as the eminent Democratic Party Chairman and Clinton fund-raiser Terry McAuliffe argues? I suspect that as this election year progresses, that may end up being the decisive debate. You can put me on the side of the professor."

I agree.

56 posted on 05/16/2004 5:18:34 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (And we will defend the peace that makes all progress possible. - George W. Bush)
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To: Brian Allen
,,, pig blood futures? Trade long. I'm feeling lucky.
57 posted on 05/16/2004 5:25:53 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Noumenon

I hear you. Do we have the stomach for it?


58 posted on 05/16/2004 5:30:03 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: GBA
AW, C'MON---!

The WHOLE PATHOLOGY Goes BACK to an Unshakable Belief in the Precepts of an "Inviolable Messenger of" the "Ultimate Truth Of" the STONE in Mecca.

Considering the UNSPEAKABLE ATROCITIES Committed By "Believers, 'In the Name of Islam," There can be NO further Souls who would be Participants in ANY furthur activities in ANY WAY.

Doc

59 posted on 05/16/2004 5:38:49 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: King Prout
During the beginning of Ferdinan & Isabela's reign,
the reign in Spain was mainly in the plain (of Madrid).
60 posted on 05/16/2004 5:39:47 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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