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Poll: Support for Bush, Iraq war dropping (Kerry 49% W 44% Nader 6%-W approval @ 46%)
cnn.com ^ | 05/14/04 | cnn.

Posted on 05/14/2004 2:00:26 PM PDT by KQQL

That development appears to be helping Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. He wins the support of 51 percent of likely voters, compared to 46 percent for Bush. In February, Bush was ahead of Kerry by two percentage points.

If Independent Ralph Nader is among the choices, Kerry gets 49 percent, Bush 44 percent and Nader 6 percent.

Bush's overall job approval rating fell from 49 percent to 46 percent since the last CNN/Time poll on April 8, while his disapproval rating rose from 47 percent to 49 percent -- the first time that more people disapproved of Bush's job performance than approved.

The poll was conducted by telephone Wednesday and Thursday.

The margin of error for the total sample of 1,001 adult Americans is 3.1 percentage points

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; cnnpollpuuleez; commienews; invalidsource; polls
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To: FA14
I'm giving up fighting the Reagan/Mondale tied mantra, but here ya go!


101 posted on 05/14/2004 2:38:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dog

Because the 46 Bush-41 Kerry poll from whatever-institute-nobody's-heard-of is the only positive poll! Get your head out of the sand and CAMPAIGN! The CBS poll and the CNN/Gallup poll were the most accurate in 2000--Freepers need to stop sitting on their butts, wake up, and realize that Bush won't win without their help! LET'S ROLL!


102 posted on 05/14/2004 2:38:56 PM PDT by Nataku X (Kerry's Entire Campaign: Bush bad. Medals good. Bush bad.)
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To: AntiGuv
But President Bush still leads Democratic challenger John Kerry 43 -- 40 percent, with 6 percent for independent candidate Ralph Nader, compared to the 46 -- 40 percent lead in a March 24 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

In this latest expanded survey, which allows for closer examination for subgroups, white women, a key voting block, back Bush 48 -- 35 percent, with 6 percent for Nader.
103 posted on 05/14/2004 2:39:48 PM PDT by John Lenin (Never trust a traitor)
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To: AntiGuv; KQQL

Do either of you think 46% is statistically different than 48% ?


104 posted on 05/14/2004 2:39:56 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: KQQL

I saw CNN announce the poll numbers right as they came in. The ones I saw were the Kerry 51/Bush 46.

I'm still shaking.
(though I noticed even with it being likely voters, the moe was almost 5%, which seems quite high)


105 posted on 05/14/2004 2:40:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: chimera

Would you say that the media was the decisive factors in your informal "poll?"


106 posted on 05/14/2004 2:40:22 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: KQQL

"History is filled with polling leads, such as Michael Dukakis's 17-point edge over Bush the Elder, that melted in the heat of the campaign"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30060-2004Apr21.html

When Bush was leading, the WP went to great lengths to point out that early polls can be very misleading. Now that it appears that Kerry may have an edge, all of a sudden the liberal media is trying to convince everyone that the election is over and Kerry won.

There are almost SIX long months until election.

The Bush campaign needs to get more pro-active and Republicans need to work at grass roots level to turn out the votes, which will be crucial.


107 posted on 05/14/2004 2:40:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: KQQL

That was before the beheading.


108 posted on 05/14/2004 2:41:20 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: AntiGuv; All

I am tired of arguing with you about that chart, but I'll say it again...

that chart leaves out a Gallup poll which had Mondale ahead by 2% in July.

Gallup basically erased it from their own history books, but they couldn't erase it from the WashingtonPost.com archives...


109 posted on 05/14/2004 2:41:42 PM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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To: cyncooper

Karl Rove is a real genius, ain't he?

I'm sick to my stomach.


110 posted on 05/14/2004 2:42:43 PM PDT by lavrenti (I'm not bad, just misunderstood.)
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To: AntiGuv

In May, about this time, Reagan was at 50%, vs. Monday's 46% -- they were tied within the margin of error.

Then Mondale started to lose traction.


111 posted on 05/14/2004 2:42:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: All
Polls are now used to make news, not report the public's opinion on it.
112 posted on 05/14/2004 2:43:37 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: AntiGuv

According to Matthew Dowd the following are true:

"Throughout 1983, former President Reagan was behind Walter Mondale by as many as nine points, and against possible opponent John Glenn, Reagan was behind by as much as 17 points in 1983. Even at the beginning of 1984, the polls showed the race between Reagan and Mondale was a statistical dead heat. Reagan won in a landslide carrying 49 states.
In 1987 and 1988, Vice President George Bush was behind in generic ballot polls by as many as 15 points, and against Michael Dukakis throughout 1988 Bush was behind by as many as 17 points. It was not until the Republican convention in late summer 1988 that Bush took a small solid lead. Bush went on to win by a fairly good margin in November.
In 1995 and early 1996, former Senator Robert Dole was often ahead of Clinton in ballot polling. The Wall Street Journal showed Dole with a two point lead in 1995. And Gallup had Dole with small leads in 1995 and January 1996 Dole had a three point lead over Clinton. "

Stop with the sky is falling garbage ....


113 posted on 05/14/2004 2:43:40 PM PDT by cohokie
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To: cyncooper

The CNN poll was NOT repeat NOT of likely voters, they were of ADULTS, which in general favors the Democrats at least by several % points.


114 posted on 05/14/2004 2:44:19 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: KQQL

I hate to say this but relying on one poll like you do make you look damn foolish.


115 posted on 05/14/2004 2:44:30 PM PDT by John Lenin (Never trust a traitor)
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To: Bonaventure
You may be right. But what is blunting the message on the economy right now is the literal explosion in gasoline prices. I and the rest of us here know that there is nothing Bush or any other President can do to directly affect those, but that won't matter. People are angry and want to punish somebody, and those holding elective office are a natural target. The Rats and the media will crucify Bush and Cheney with their connections to the oil industry. You can bet that the Rats will find a way to link them and blame Bush and Cheney for the higher prices. I can just picture the ads now, images of service station price boards, people shelling out wads of cash to fill their SUVs, and all the while some ominous voice-over pointing out "who has the connections to the 'price-gouging' Big Oil and Halliburton?" It's absolute, utter crap, of course, since neither Bush nor Cheney has been directly involved in the business for years, but telling the truth has never been a strong suit for Rats.
116 posted on 05/14/2004 2:44:38 PM PDT by chimera
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To: VRWC_minion
Do either of you think 46% is statistically different than 48% ?

No, I don't - but I do like precision.

FWIW, I think all of this back-and-forth is just pissing in the wind. GWB is quite clearly following the trajectory of incumbents who've lost in the past and his campaign situation doesn't even remotely resemble those who've won - much less those who won landslides.

The only real question is whether this election will hold true to form with past elections, because GWB will only win if it does not. I don't know the answer to that myself and so I have no real opinion on the matter. 2002 did not hold true to past form so people can take some solace in that.

We'll see what happens. Maybe this will be one of those occasional exceptions to the historical rule.

117 posted on 05/14/2004 2:44:57 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: FairOpinion
"The margin of error for the total sample of 1,001 adult Americans is 3.1 percentage points, but that margin varied for questions specifically asked of smaller groups, such as likely voters.

When I saw CNN broadcast the Kerry 51/Bush 46 numbers, they noted likely voters, and on screen I noticed the MOE was about 4.8% or something. I made a mental note that it was closer to 5% than 4% (I hope I noticed correctly because it was a quick glance at the screen as my ear caught what they were saying).

118 posted on 05/14/2004 2:44:59 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: VRWC_minion
Oh, and it's also worth noting that if GWB loses that will also be an exception to historical patterns - in that case, to economic circumstances of incumbent victory or defeat. So, either way some pattern will be deviated from so I guess one can choose which one to emphasize (as most here do).
119 posted on 05/14/2004 2:46:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: chimera

Jimmuh Cahtuh took a big hit for high gas prices.

A lot of people have manure for brains. Voting for someone based on gas prices?


120 posted on 05/14/2004 2:46:49 PM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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