[churchillbuff]

Graner identified four other soldiers in the photograph, labeled Nos. 4, 5, 7 and 8 in the copy provided to NBC News, as military intelligence officers, who he said were in charge of interrogations at the prison. A civilian translator is labeled No. 2, and Graner is No. 1.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

Is an "Spc." an "officer"? I thought it was an elisted ranking? Somebody help me out on this. Thanks.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

They were getting them to do things that broke them, so that they would give information about Al Queda. These POW's are fanatics and they see these acts as treacherous to them as bathing in pigs blood (which I think should have been used).

Sleeper cells are getting broken up around America. How many have been the result of the tactics used? What terrorist activities have been thwarted, how many lives have been saved - possibly including that of Hackworth, Berg and yes, even Hillary?

[Tamzee]

Your trying as hard to discredit Bush and the military as the DUrtbags.

[JoeSchem]

The radio talk show hosts just don't get it. They blame the liberal media for this crisis, they demand to know why the Arab world isn't condemning the Berg beheading. But we know that the liberal media and the Arab world are always going to let us down.

This crisis is about a Republican President letting us down, and that's a far more serious matter.

[George W. Bush]

The normal practice is that if torture is used, we use the citizens of the country, police or military, to do the actual torture while our intel agents observe.

To use U.S. enlisted personnel in such procedures would be quite unusual.

I think this is a juvenile S&M sideshow by the MTV generation in uniform. Not at all representative of armed forces in general. Just some little slut with a bunch of idiots supervising her who were getting some private kick out of humiliating their prisoners sexually.

If I'm right, they should all be courtmartialled. If there is any higher level involvement and these intel officers were directed to conduct such interrogations, heads need to roll. This behavior is completely outside the American military tradition. If we allow it to continue, our troops will become as unreliable and as corrupted as the typical U.N. peacekeeping troops are. Our good troops should not have to be embarassed by having such low-calibre elements in their ranks. There is a notion of duty and honor in the American military. People like this repudiate that tradition and, by their actions, tar other members of the service.

A POW prison is not a proper interrogation center. Real interrogations of high-level suspects are carried out by specialists at Guantanomo Bay. And our military's rank and file is not well-suited to police and intel operations.

Even this one single incident has given the Islamists a tremendous propaganda victory. Failure to act decisively to punish these persons (meaning long sentences in military prison) will cause further damage to our political goals in the Middle East.

This event is very provocative in the Arab world. We cannot preach democracy and human rights while treating prisoners this way.

I don't believe that the prisoners had any vital information. Serious interrogation is never conducted this way. And the photos show a rather lighthearted approach to 'interrogation' by the staff and that goofy slut in the pictures.

[cyncooper]

Graner is Lynndie England's boyfriend (or one of them...supposedly the father of the baby she's carrying) and reportedly is featured in pictures and video having sex with her.

In fact, it was on MSNBC that I first heard this. You'd think they'd approach his credibility with a bit more skepticism.

[aruanan]

As I said on a different thread about a NYT article about this:

The Central Intelligence Agency has used coercive interrogation methods against a select group of high-level leaders and operatives of Al Qaeda that have produced growing concerns inside the agency about abuses, according to current and former counterterrorism officials.

Notice the technique in the above. "Methods" produced "growing concerns." This makes the "method" responsible for the "concern". It sidesteps the fact that the "concern" is a reaction by a particular person or group of people, based on their own beliefs about how things ought to be done, to actions performed by others. It begs the question of whether their assumptions are reasonable or the policy recommendations that flow from them are prudent. High-level leaders and operatives of Al Qaeda are not grandmothers being probed by ten-year-olds bent on finding out where Grannie hid the sugar cookies.

An interrogation with people like this isn't a prime time Baba Wawa chat fest or an Opra Winfrey emotional high colonic done for the dual purpose of driving up ratings and satisfying the prurient interest of the viewers. The purpose is to use the best means possible to produce reliable information that will enable you to foil the plans of those whose goal in life is the destruction of your nation and civilization. The goal is three-fold: 1. to get them to believe that there is no way out but through you, that their verifiable response is the key to that door, and that feeding you lies will keep that door locked forever. 2. to control them and their environment in such a way as to produce the mental state in which the beliefs in 1 can be planted and then grown to fruition as rapidly as possible, and 3. to do 1 and 2 as quickly as possible in order to uncover and nullify the plans of Al Qaeda (and other Islamofascists).

This is not something that can be done through rational debate based on mutual respect--they don't want to debate you; they want to kill you.

[Victoria Delsoul]

The photograph was taken during the interrogation of several Iraqi prisoners who are depicted naked in a heap on the floor,

Oh my, what a crime! Suspected terrorists depicted naked! Not one terrorist has been decapitated have they?

I haven't seen anything in those photos that showed abuse unless, we call embarrassment abuse, but then, we're talking about criminals.

The terrorists who killed Nick Berg showed us exactly the kind of animals we're dealing with. If our soldiers catch them and take a few naked pictures of them, the media and their puppets will be screaming bloody murder. You see, beheading an innocent man isn't as bad as posing with the enemy

[Libloather]

Graner identified four other soldiers in the photograph, labeled Nos. 4, 5, 7 and 8 in the copy provided to NBC News, as military intelligence officers, who he said were in charge of interrogations at the prison. A civilian translator is labeled No. 2, and Graner is No. 1.

I would pay good money to see this much detail on the conniving insiders at the NY Times. What are the chances?

[antaresequity]

This story is rapidly approaching 'So What' status in my book...

Nick Berg tipped the balance for me...

[rebel_yell2]

We are slowly exterminating the vermin in Iraq. They know that we are locating many of their comrades by interrogating prisoners. Hence, they are using U.S. leftists in the U.S. in an attempt to stop these interrogations and slow the attrition of their comrades. Interpretation? U.S. leftists have committed treason against our great nation. What is the penalty for treason . . . ?

[GeorgiaYankee]

The photograph was taken during the interrogation of several Iraqi prisoners who are depicted naked in a heap on the floor,

I have no military experience, but I can figure out that you dont interrogate prisoners in a pile on the floor, where other prisoners can hear.

Reporters are such morons!