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To: churchillbuff
They were getting them to do things that broke them, so that they would give information about Al Queda. These POW's are fanatics and they see these acts as treacherous to them as bathing in pigs blood (which I think should have been used).

Sleeper cells are getting broken up around America. How many have been the result of the tactics used? What terrorist activities have been thwarted, how many lives have been saved - possibly including that of Hackworth, Berg and yes, even Hillary?
7 posted on 05/13/2004 8:21:59 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I don't care what they did to the sub-humans. Check out these videos of the Islamic Nazis in Chechnya. This will give you some idea what they are like.

This (video/graphic)is what they have been doing to our soldiers. And what they want to do to all of us the first chance they get.

Some day we will look back on what happened in this Iraqi prison and wonder what we were thinking when we allowed people like Teddy Kennedy to compare the American military to these sub-human scum.

11 posted on 05/13/2004 8:29:32 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
What terrorist activities have been thwarted, how many lives have been saved - possibly including that of Hackworth, Berg and yes, even Hillary?

Earth to Neocon: Your Reality-Inversion Field has no effect on me.

David Berg was killed precisely because of these interrogation activities. And how can you possibly imply that his life was saved when in fact he is dead?

You guys are like the incompetent but arrogant doctor who wrote in his surgical report, "The operation was a complete success -- marred only by the patient's death."

And to repeat for the umpteenth millionth time, these prisoners are not terrorists threatening America. They are people defending their homes from an illegal invader.

Meanwhile, as we squander our precious military lives and tens of billions of dollars to hold Baghdad for the American Empire, the terrorists threatening America are in Pakistan, safe and sound and laughing their heads off as the President Who Does Not Read Books bumbles from one crisis of mismanagement to another.

15 posted on 05/13/2004 8:42:51 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Have we sold our conservative birthright for a 5% temporary tax cut?)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

our people doing this were clearly amateurs--the pics demonstrate this. rumsfeld is an amateur--bush should get rid of him or he's inviting kerry into the white house. if you want to win a war, you need to get some professionals in charge.


20 posted on 05/13/2004 8:53:16 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

our people doing this were clearly amateurs--the pics demonstrate this. rumsfeld is an amateur--bush should get rid of him or he's inviting kerry into the white house. if you want to win a war, you need to get some professionals in charge.


21 posted on 05/13/2004 8:53:17 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Here is what General Taguba said.

He said it was this rogue group on their own volition and low level and not under any orders, written or otherwise.

Idiotic MSNBC is straining mightily to make this story keep going the way they wanted, but the facts will triumph in the end.

General Taguba testimony

excerpts:

MCCAIN: In your judgment, were these abuses as a result of an overall military or intelligence policy to quote, "soften up detainees for interrogation"?

TAGUBA: Sir, we did not gain any evidence where it was an overall military intelligence policy of the sort. I think it was a matter of soldiers with their interaction with military intelligence personnel who they perceived or thought to be competent authority that were giving them or influencing their action to set the conditions for a successful interrogations operations.

~snip~

BYRD: It's becoming clear to me that this abuse wasn't just about values, it was about policies and planning.

General Taguba, based on your investigation, who gave the order to soften up these prisoners, to give them the treatment? Was this a policy? Who approved it?

TAGUBA: Sir, we did not find any evidence of a policy or a direct order given to these soldiers to conduct what they did. I believe that they did it on their own volition. I believe that we did collaborate it with several M.I. interrogators at the lower level, based on the conveyance of that information through interviews and written statements.

TAGUBA: We didn't find any order whatsoever, sir, written or otherwise, that directed them to do what they did.

~snip~

CORNYN: How many individuals do you believe were involved in this abuse at Abu Ghraib?

TAGUBA: Sir, directly there were those six or seven, I believe. I know that the ongoing investigation continues under Article 32. I don't know anybody -- of any others.

In terms of those soldiers' supervisors and leaders, I illuminated that on my report, I believe there were a total of 17 that I identified.

~snip~

63 posted on 05/13/2004 9:35:54 PM PDT by cyncooper
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