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Get ready for a second U.S. civil war
Minnesota Daily ^ | 4/30/04 | John Troyer

Posted on 05/13/2004 4:45:12 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy

Get ready for a second U.S. civil war Major divisions will be along economic, political, secular and theologial lines.

By John Troyer, Columnist

he Washington Post recently ran an interesting three-part series of articles regarding political divisions in the United States. Two families were profiled in the story, the Stein family in Sugar Land, Texas, and the Harrison family in San Francisco. Both families are strikingly similar: white, Catholic, married heterosexual households with children and homes. Yet, the ideological location of the families in the story is significant — the Steins are conservative Republicans and the Harrisons are liberal Democrats. The en vogue shorthand expression for these ideological/geographical division lines is the red states versus the blue states — the red states for the Republicans and the blue states for the Democrats. The red states are largely Southern and Western. The blue states encompass both coasts and the Midwest. Alaska is red. Hawaii is blue. Since the 2000 presidential election, journalists and social commentators have talked ad nauseam about the political divisiveness in the United States today, made visible by these color lines.

While I agree the United States is a country divided (more by class, education and income than anything else) I am not so sure the divisions are anything new — meaning, our constitutional/representational democracy fosters opposing sides. And while I also agree the number of purple states (ones mixing red and blue — such as Minnesota) have largely disappeared from the union, I do think too many trivial differences are read into the 50-50 split along party lines. Case in point: The Steins and the Harrisons are effectively the same affluent family type. What I think is absolutely crucial to recognize in the red and blue geography is, as The Washington Post story reported, “America is engaging in voluntary political segregation.”

Quite simply, people are moving to parts of the country where they think their party politics will be embraced and not necessarily challenged. This isn’t a particularly revelatory point. Most people, given the chance, would seek out an affordable place to live, matching their politics. I do it.

But something else about the self-segregation of the U.S. population bothers me, and it is a concern I first started contemplating while attending both pro- and anti-war rallies last spring.

I think the United States is headed toward another civil war.

Historians have made a significant mistake over the years by calling the Civil War our last domestic conflict. We Americans would only help ourselves by thinking of that moment in time as “a” civil war. And even though the moment I am thinking about was 140 years ago, a number of the issues raised about the divisions between the North and the South have never been resolved.

The civil war I foresee involves East, West, North and South battle lines in which a confederacy of each region forms around socio-political interests, similar to the differences now among the rural, suburban and urban areas. The major divisions will be along economic, theological and secular lines as U.S. party politics increasingly fuses religion with governance. Too many U.S. conservative Christian religious leaders are demanding a theocratic nation that prepares the way for the return of Jesus Christ. Too many secular groups scoff at how serious conservative Christian groups are about reading the Bible as a literal text. Affluent suburban liberals and conservatives pay little serious attention to the debilitating poverty in the rural and urban United States.

As the red states begin to exert their sovereignty in creating local laws banning gay marriage, most kinds of abortion, access to health care, immigrant rights, etc., the blue states will do the exact opposite and populations will shift. National corporate executives will then face a choice regarding whether their companies’ employees can work in certain states when employee benefits change region to region.

Once corporations begin to move, so do the jobs and so does state income generated by trade. As trade between the states becomes more hostile, so will the political and religious rhetoric. The rhetoric from both red and blue states can easily use patriotism as a rallying cry while simultaneously modifying nationalism with regionalism.

Ultimately I think another civil war might need to happen in the United States, and I expect to see this war in my lifetime. Without question I understand how destructive such a war would be for the modern American nation-state: Millions of people would die and the damage done to the country’s infrastructure would be catastrophic. So I’m not advocating for a war, but I don’t see how it can be stopped. While other nations, so much older than our own, have decided armed conflict is not the route to take when settling disputes, I don’t think we Americans have learned the wisdom of that lesson. Not yet.

John Troyer welcomes comments at jtroyer@mndaily.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: culturewar; dixielist; fiddlefaddle
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1 posted on 05/13/2004 4:45:12 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Gee, MY side dominates the military AND has all the guns. Gonna be a short war.
2 posted on 05/13/2004 4:47:01 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
he he he.......
3 posted on 05/13/2004 4:48:50 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
U.S. conservative Christian religious leaders are demanding a theocratic nation

Really?
4 posted on 05/13/2004 4:49:29 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Bring it on.
5 posted on 05/13/2004 4:50:46 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Kozak
I live in Massachusetts. Talk 'bout target rich environment.
6 posted on 05/13/2004 4:50:55 AM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: Kozak
Gee, MY side dominates the military AND has all the guns. Gonna be a short war.

The problem is the other side controls the Ministry of Information . . . and the band plays on . .

7 posted on 05/13/2004 4:51:50 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
As the red states begin to exert their sovereignty in creating local laws banning gay marriage, most kinds of abortion, access to health care, immigrant rights, etc.,

The red states ban access to health care? Really? I didn't know that.

8 posted on 05/13/2004 4:51:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: stainlessbanner
For your ping list, Sir...
9 posted on 05/13/2004 4:51:51 AM PDT by TomServo ("D'oh!...I filled my pants, sir...In fact, I think I filled yours too.")
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To: Kozak
Maybe after this happens, then France will get a break from their cheese-eating-surrender-monkey claim to fame. It will then belong to the "liberals" hopefully by then we will identify them by what they really are, commies.
10 posted on 05/13/2004 4:53:13 AM PDT by American_Centurion (Daisy cutters trump wiretaps everytime!)
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To: dd5339
ping
11 posted on 05/13/2004 4:54:27 AM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
This guy is a moron. First of all, if he doesn't think that we will defend the Constitution against it's domestic enemies, he's got another thing coming. The threat of foreign hostility will weed out the domestic scum, as the reaction to 911 has already.

Note to author- check opinion polls. The libs and America haters are outnumbered. And you Old Media would-be mind controllers are irrelevant.

12 posted on 05/13/2004 4:55:24 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Forget ANWR -- Drill Israel!)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Really?

I must have missed that memo.

13 posted on 05/13/2004 4:55:31 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
This guy is a 'tard. We aren't headed into a cival war. People now days are too lazy to get into a fight. The only way this war could happen would be if we got our Immigrant maids and lawn boys to fight it out for us.
14 posted on 05/13/2004 4:56:28 AM PDT by Karlos_Marx
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To: ksen
I must have missed that memo.

Me too. And I've been in church every Sunday - you think my pastor would have said something.
15 posted on 05/13/2004 4:56:52 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: ksen
It was in the latest "VRWC mind-numbed robot" newsletter.
16 posted on 05/13/2004 4:56:57 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Forget ANWR -- Drill Israel!)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
This is an example of how liberals don't want to hear anything that is in any opposition to what they already believe, and seek to insulate themselves among their own kind.
17 posted on 05/13/2004 4:57:16 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
You should email this dude a link to this thread.
18 posted on 05/13/2004 4:57:20 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Forget ANWR -- Drill Israel!)
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To: Kozak
Ha! Lefties go to war? Well, they can be pretty nasty - just look at the enviro-terrorists, and the abortion crowd.

On the other hand, I'd like to think our side would at least get up and engage in the culture war. We seem to be losing that one little by little.
19 posted on 05/13/2004 4:57:30 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
20 posted on 05/13/2004 4:57:49 AM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in al-Qerry)
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