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Whoa - Joss Whedon Just Threw Down on Hillary Rodham Clinton! [penultimate episode of "Angel"]
TheWB ^ | 2004-05-12 | Joss Whedon

Posted on 05/12/2004 7:12:46 PM PDT by SlickWillard

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To: LenS
JW is serious PC and a leftist. In the one episode when Angel and the gang were moving into Wolferman and Hart building Fred hung up a huge Dixie Chick's poster in her lab. It was serious "Barf" moment but one has to put up with this stuff time to time in watching TV. Like in the X-Files where there was Clinton/Reno pictures in Skinner's office. Carter somehow forgot to add BUSH\Ashcroft pictures in the last two seasons just shows how left leaning Hoollyweird is.
61 posted on 05/13/2004 2:23:41 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond
JW is serious PC and a leftist

Overstating, much? The theme of personal responsibilty and actions having consequemces is hardly leftist.

And serious PC?. From the introduction of the clueless warm, fuzzy, princiPAL in the first episode of Buffy there was a fairly steady mocking of PC.

As in the Liberal Guilt for Extermination of the Indians episode "Pangs"

Buffy : ... And native american.
Giles : Sorry?
Buffy : We don't say "indian."
Giles : Oh, right. Yes, yes. Um, always behind on the terms. Still trying not to refer to you lot as "bloody colonials."

And the closing moral of the episode where Willow, previous voice of liberal outrage, confesses.
Willow : It's just...Did you see me? 2 Seconds of conflict with an indigenous person, and I turned into General Custer.

62 posted on 05/14/2004 7:49:35 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Oztrich Boy

Look the guy describes himself as a radical feminist. So it would be "understatement" not "overstatement".

I agree there were some un-PC stuff in the series and I enjoyed watching "Firefly", "Angle", and "Buffy" and it was an OK 42 minutes of TV compared to the other crap being broadcast. I loved the dry humor and wit of Angle, Spike, and Giles plus the all the actors gave good performances. Not to mention the super hot and witty evil vixen Glory. But like it or not the shows had many way Leftist moments. Here are a few more examples of his leftist bent in the shows besides the Dixie Chicks thing.

When Oz thought he was the killer werewolf they scripted in the "leftist stereotype" of a hunter trying to track him down. During the Buffy fight with the hunter they threw in a tirade about the evils of hunting and guns. Which was really ironic since she is a vampire hunter. But only in Hoollyweird would it be wooden stakes good, guns bad. Girl vampire killer good, Man freelance werewolf killer bad. Yeah right.

Skip ahead a couple of seasons and low and behold we have a episode on the evils of handguns with Tara being killed with a stray bullet that came through a house.

Then in a show with Angle in a fight somehow in a very tortured way they work in the line "In this country the guy who gets the most votes doesn't get to be president either." Implying W cheated is why Algore lost the race. At that point I was hoping the villain was going to say "Hey Josh, want a civics lesson? Ever heard of the electoral college dude? BTW Josh we live in a "Free Republic" and not in a Democratic Mob-Rules Tyranny."

Then we had the whole Willow becomes a homo thing which was pointless because it added zero, zip, nada to the story and overall entertainment value of the show. It was a distraction from the show. The only reason for doing this is the PC driven liberal agenda of promoting the idea that homosexuality is somehow normal and hoollyweird is intent on shoving it down America's throat.(Pun intended) Once again my irony meter was pegged out when Xander hits on Willow, after his breakup with Onya, she replies "I can't change who I am."(freeze frame video and insert scratching record sound){ Well gee Willow , you quit being a heterosexual to become a homosexual but now all of sudden you can't quit being homosexual and become a heterosexual? OhhhKaaay... Yeah Right....... }implying the misconception that people are born into homosexuality.

Then there is the "Raising Dawn" issue. Whether he intended to or not the script for it came straight out of "It Takes a Village" by Hillary Clinton. We had single mother, single sister(later thrust into single mother role), two lesbian witches, a fatherly caretaker figure, a boyfriend and half human\half demon girlfriend, and a vampire all raising Dawn.

Bottom line the guy has talent and has written some good TV and movie moments. But to try and spin it that he is not PC and a leftist is a bit much. Unless you going to say he did not have control over the content of the shows. But if you read anything at all about him it is all about having control over his own writing and shows.


63 posted on 05/15/2004 4:08:13 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: tortoise
He actually seems to be more of a libertarian than a real liberal.

He described himself as a liberal at The Bronze, actually. Not too surprising for some reason.

64 posted on 05/18/2004 11:34:39 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: MegaSilver

Anyone see the final tonight? Liberal or not, Joss's final kicked serious arse. One of the best series finale's ever, even if it did end on sort of a cliffhanger.


65 posted on 05/19/2004 7:08:03 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Sniff...It was an excellent finale. I'm gonna miss it.


66 posted on 05/19/2004 7:45:39 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: bondjamesbond
And did you catch the part where President Palmer's ex-wife is an evil manipulate beyatch who wants to take over the world?

DID YA SEE IT? DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!!!!
67 posted on 05/19/2004 8:52:04 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: SlickWillard; Howlin; Liz; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim
...just introduced a new character who's a bleached-blond United States Senator and who intends to become President in 2008. Her most trusted aid is a vampire, and she's a member of the Circle of the Black Thorn - the most evil assemblage of characters in the history of the greater Buffy-verse [kind of like a Justice League of America, only for evil, not good].

Does *Bubba know she's bleached?

68 posted on 05/19/2004 9:11:56 PM PDT by Libloather (If it really comes down to it, I'm voting Miller Genuine Draft Light...)
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To: GeorgiaYankee

Oooooo. Spoiler.

I only catch 24 on DVD release. Gotta say I like it, though...


69 posted on 05/20/2004 3:50:23 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: ChicagoHebrew; mewzilla

I watched it, and rewatched it... and was absurdly depressed, and cussy at WB.

What a great episode. It had everything you love about Whedon (if you like him at all): crackling dialogue, plot-180's, feeling.... And yep, I laughed and I gasped and I cried. Both times.

I haven't loved how shruggy Boreanaz was about Angel ending. I don't know what career-future he thinks he has, now. He was a good Angel, but strikes me as a limited actor.

Marsters and Dennisof, though... wow. And who knew what Amy Acker had; sad about what happened to Fred, but nice to see that Acker has range.

Dang, I'm going to miss that show. Even with Whedon being an aggressively clueless liberal. Idiot suits at WB.

Dan


70 posted on 05/24/2004 8:52:00 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: GeorgiaYankee
As you know, in 24 the president is a Democrat (it was mentioned only in two episodes or so in the first season). Of course, in Season 1, some of his supporters murdered someone who had unflattering info on his son and this season, he covers up for his homicidal ex-wife and sends his brother to steal the evidence.

He couldn't possibly be a Republican.

71 posted on 05/24/2004 8:59:14 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
He couldn't possibly be a Republican.

I didn't say he was. Read my post again, no mention of Palmer, just Keeler. You read too much into it
72 posted on 05/24/2004 9:41:05 AM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: GeorgiaYankee

I was just providing info. I actually wasn't sure if you knew that little piece of information.


73 posted on 05/24/2004 10:41:18 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: BibChr
I haven't loved how shruggy Boreanaz was about Angel ending. I don't know what career-future he thinks he has, now. He was a good Angel, but strikes me as a limited actor.

He's limited, but I could see him in a few roles. I always thought he'd make the perfect Batman/Bruce Wayne -- but that role already went to Christian Bale. He plays dark and brooding well, and sarcastic and cunningly evil well. Still, I guess that is limited range. Maybe there's hope for a tv movie in a year from now after Borenaz finds out he doesn't like unemployment.

74 posted on 05/24/2004 7:19:27 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: LenS

"Joss, on the other hand, changed the final season of Buffy because his original storyline seemed to him to be a possible validation of the Iraq war. He ruined the season just to stay P.C"




Sorry to come in so late on this thread...but I've been trying to catch up on reruns of Angel and thought I'd post what I read at TV Tome...which seems to validate your claim. Quote:

"Joss Whedon mentions that this entire season represent the Bush Administration's dealing with war on terror. Angel joined Wolfram and Hart hoping that its power can help them fight evil from the inside. When Angel realized that they have been corrupted and the apocalypse was occuring right under their nose, it resembles how the focus of the war on terror went to Iraq instead of the Taliban in Aphganistan where it belongs."

It really amazes me how obssesed (and often, wrong) those in Hollywood really are. I can understand developing a show or two around one's personal perspective...but a whole season? They are just about to begin the last season (rerun) on TNT, so it'll be interesting to see exactly what messages Joss was intending to send.


75 posted on 01/24/2005 2:24:56 PM PST by cwb
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