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Wow, this is an excellent op-ed which sums up my feeling. I'm tired of Bush worrying about offending Muslim sensibilities while Americans die.

There has been no real retaliation for Fallajah massacre

Insurgent attack continue a year on.

Entire Iraqi cities are off limit because they all seem to be “holy.”

This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

Well said! That’s how we lost Vietnam and how we are going to lose in Iraq.

Mr. Bush, when did you get scared of the leftist media?

1 posted on 05/12/2004 1:16:17 AM PDT by Barney Gumble
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I just finished watching the video and I am AMAZED, though I shouldn't be, by the level of brutality exhibited in it. After watching the video and finding myself sickened to my stomach by it, it is clear to me that what is being written about in this op-ed is the honest to goodness truth! It's time to f*c#%n RAZE Fallujah. No more Political Correctness. No more nice nice. It's time to destroy those not willing to cop to what we want to do in Iraq. I feel ill watching what they did to that poor man!
2 posted on 05/12/2004 1:24:10 AM PDT by GmbyMan (His name was Nick Berg.... Don't forget it.)
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The abuse committed there by a handful of soldiers was not typical; nor is it acceptable.

How about REWARDING the guards in question for employing inventive methods of breaking terrorists instead of "not accepting" them, for starters. A lot of righteous outrage, but a little torture of murderers is already too much for the "outraged" types??? Would YOU take Al-Zarkawi on a leash?

3 posted on 05/12/2004 1:28:26 AM PDT by eclectic
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Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice."

That sounds like clinton after the Cole bombing. I hope Bush doesn't go that route, but paves the desert with glass.

4 posted on 05/12/2004 1:28:33 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier
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The plan was to march on Bagdad, shock & awe until Saddam
was killed or ran to Syria or somewhere, Have a parade, install Chalabi as Shah of Iraq, have a Fifth Avenue parade
and regular unleaded would hover around .99 a gallon.

What happened?
5 posted on 05/12/2004 1:30:23 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: Barney Gumble
Perspective is a good thing.
6 posted on 05/12/2004 1:31:11 AM PDT by snooker
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I think Bush doesn't want to kill any innocents among the guilty.

But I see no reason why he doesn't right now drop a major bomb on some camp that makes an impression and puts fears of retribution in the souls of al Qaeda.

Big bomb right now where all the cameras can see it.
7 posted on 05/12/2004 1:33:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The hand-wringing over the war in Iraq and over even the modest steps America took to defend itself, like the Patriot Act - suggests that folks truly have lost sight of what the war is about.

Yesterday they got a shocking reminder. And now they know: This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism. Those who have set as their goal the destruction of America.

Keep your eyes on the ball. 9/11 , 3/11 . Daniel Pearl. Nick Berg.

8 posted on 05/12/2004 1:34:39 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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This is an A-1+ tough talking oped.
Let's compare it with the NYT.
Until our biased media gets the picture,
too many Americans won't.

11 posted on 05/12/2004 1:38:06 AM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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I'm still waiting for Michael Moore's response to this decapitation. He said a couple of weeks ago that the people we fought in Iraq weren't terrorists. He said that they weren't the enemy. He also said that they would win.

I want to see what his response is to the war crimes committed by the side for which he cheers. Lumpy Riefenstahl is a traitorous SOB who provides aid and comfort to the enemies of America.

Heads Up... from Michael Moore

The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?

[snip]

I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle. I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.


13 posted on 05/12/2004 1:49:31 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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On September 21st, and again later, on November 6th, 2001, President Bush took the couragous step of leadership unseen in the White House for years, maybe decades. He stated, quite simply:

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity. You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

President Bush has been bold, consistent, and resolute, in his application of force during this "War on Terror". He has not been particularly forthcoming regarding who this "Terror" is that we are at war with. He has been loath to say "Islam", so the term "Jahidists" was coined somewhere up in "spin central" at the White House. I believe he has avoided identifying our "enemies" most Muslims, and Muslim nation-states in the world, both as strategic moves and compassionate action.

  1. Strategically, while al'Qaeda sympathies and anti-American fervor is shared by a significant minority, and perhaps majority of Muslims in the world, it does U.S. interests no good to alienate the rest of the Muslims in the world. There are many who do not share the Wahabi world view of Islamic domination by force, who might desire a more free, democratic vision of an Islamic republic, and they can be useful in this war.

  2. Bush is a Christian man who count not countenance the scapegoating and persecution that might be dealt out to innocent Muslims, or even al'Qaeda sympathizers in the West. That's not "who American's are".

However, in the end, what matters is who wins or loses, or how many casualties the U.S. and our coalition partners take at home and in the field. If President Bush or Powell's State Department cannot subordinate the interests of Muslims to our own civilians and military personnel, we will not win the war.

Faluja, for example, must be completely flattened, if it is not too late. Women and children can leave the city, and enter camps until they can be documented. Men can leave if they surrender all arms; they too will enter separate camps, to be further segregated, identified, and documented. Those who choose not to leave the city will be buried there, with as little loss of life to our Marines as possible.

When the al'Qaeda terrorists have been killed or imprisoned, we can use Iraqi oil money to build a new Faluja, if we so choose.

THAT is a "serious" response to the war being waged upon us via proxies such as Afghanistan, Iraq, and perhaps Syria and Iran. Arabs respect strength, and in the case of the U.S.A., that is the only thing they respect or fear about America. But they also feel their god, Allah, the god of the murderers of innocents, is greater than the U.S.A., that we will collapse due to our own corruption. And, they are more than willing to give us a push, by killing as many American's as possible.

The Bush Administration needs to stand back, and assess exactly WHAT the U.S. priorities are in this war. Nation building and Democracy? Sure, that's fine, but not at "any cost" in American lives and treasure.

American interest must always come first, or the U.S. government will forfeit legitimacy in the eyes of Americans, and more importantly our many enemies in this World. If the U.S. government is ambivalent about the murder of Americans, e.g. it's just a "cost of doing business", the cost of war, then why should terrorists feel differently. The maniac leading those five murders might indeed be ignorant, but American must act in a way that has saner Muslims quaking in their sandals. When the U.S. states that "retribution will be swift and certain", it had better execute --- immediately. What's the life of one American worth? A mosque? A city? A city of terrorists?

Bush and his team had better figure out the math, and convincingly sell that "cost" to our enemies. The terrorists do have "interests" we can damage. Mecca and Medina? A few precision weapons could reduce those sites to ashes. Saudi oil fields? The same fate, on the same day as the U.S. opens the Alaskan oil reserves to aggressive and rapid development. Are Syria and Iran supporting insurgents with weapons or fighters (neither "grow on trees")? There are appropriate targets of interest to which we can apply "force".

American is at war. We are under sustained attack. We must respond in meaningful ways; we must carry the war to the enemies. Or we will lose.

SFS

30 posted on 05/12/2004 2:18:48 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone (SFS)
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This is war in the middle east...That's how they fight a war...Ought to be a law against that...They should be made to fight the way we do...

When we blow their arms and legs off (and heads), it should be done honorably...With a cameraman available if possible...

I'm being sarcastic of course...But like recent American wars, someone has determined that the media and politicians should direct these wars...We then watch the "war" news like it's a Monday Night Football Game...Except no one shoots the ref for making a wrong decision...

A little sense of reality once in a while may be good for the American spirit...
31 posted on 05/12/2004 2:24:29 AM PDT by Iscool
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This war cannot be waged with half-measures.

It can end only with the total annihilation of those who practice butchery and barbarism.


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! The Muslim terrorists have demonstrated that they can't be treated with civility or compassion. Their entire frame of reference is rooted in the barbarism of the 13th Century - so, let's give them a 13th Century response that they will understand . . . annililate Fallujah; convert it into the world's first and largest camel parking lot. Then, turn Mecca and Medina into glazed, glowing parking lots that will be uninhabitable by ANY living creature for the next several thousand years. If the Muslim vermin STILL want a piece of us after that, we'll be more than happy to deliver it - smoking ruin by smoking ruin.

Barbarians can't be negotiated with - they can only be defeated by annihilation. So, let's start the annihilation so that the remainder of civilized human beings on earth no longer have to fear these representatives of the "religion of peace". A "religion" that preaches barbarism, hate, murder, slavery and oppression. Kill it now, before it kills us.
36 posted on 05/12/2004 2:37:59 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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Interesting editorial.
41 posted on 05/12/2004 3:08:08 AM PDT by Amelia
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To hell with political sensitivities in the region. To hell with negotiating with radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf and the Sunni insurgents in Fallujah. To hell with handing Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) over to Iraqis, as some want to do, and risking some reverse - perverse - kangaroo trial that results in his survival. Evil, cutthroat terrorists need to be eradicated.

We have a moral obligation to hasten their meeting with Hell.

42 posted on 05/12/2004 3:10:25 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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America has to come out swinging.

And not stop until every last one of the savage thugs is dead.

America needs an editorial like this in every paper in the country.

43 posted on 05/12/2004 3:17:35 AM PDT by livius
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To: Barney Gumble
AMERICANS HANGING ON A BRIDGE IN FALLUJA BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


TORTURE OF AMERICANS BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


AMERICANS BEHEADED BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS

THIS LATEST BEHEADING WAS DIRECTLY DUE TO SCHEMING DAN RATHER AND PROTERRORIST CBS.


PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........


THE REAL DEAL

ISLAMIC TERRORISTS MURDERING AMERICANS AT A RATE OF 3000 INNOCENTS PER HOUR

Where is the outrage at CBS? It is ONLY for the terrorists.

GOTTA HEAR THIS (911 in sound ~ 3 megabytes)

=====> (click here, or download with right mouse button)


45 posted on 05/12/2004 3:28:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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Great post and the Op-Ed is right on target.As I posted in another response - "It's surely a blood cult, a death cult" You are absolutely correct. It is a cult, not a religion. It is long past the time to take the gloves off and purge the earth of these despicable barbarians. The Bush Administration has GOT to stop this "political correctness" approach to the war. We will NOT win the hearts and minds of the Islamic people, the only thing that they understand is strength and supreme power, and we must demonstrate that the USA has the power to obliterate them. We are either in this thing to win or we are doomed
47 posted on 05/12/2004 3:51:48 AM PDT by Shane
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Yesterday, the White House promised to "pursue those responsible and bring them to justice." That's the least of it.

You cannot find justice in a war except by winning it.

50 posted on 05/12/2004 4:24:59 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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Very Barbaric and brutal. But for these people this is very natural and normal, we know what these people are capable of, have you heared about (Nugrat Salman)prison, it is the symbol of brutality and kurdish genocide, Go to kurdistan and ask any one what Nugrat Salman means to you and listen to their stories,it is aplace in Arab desert were kurds have never seen and even they could not talk the language these terrorists and murderers were speaking, there women
and small children who were dying of hunger and thirst were thrown to the desert for dogs to eat them, ask how many kurds have been eaten by dogs of their desert, not allthe 182000 who disappeared during 1988
are in mass graves, Kurdish satellite channels have programs showing these real witnesses and a large number of documents showing these brutalities to the world if the world wants to listen and see. If they stay in power and supported by Arabs the world will see the real terror as we have seen.
52 posted on 05/12/2004 4:56:01 AM PDT by Hewar
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I agree.
54 posted on 05/12/2004 5:00:54 AM PDT by drq
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