[The Bandit]

This is the latest update to my original article. More info uncovered and included.

[Feiny]

bump for later read

[68skylark]

Forgive me for saying so, but this seems like ancient history. I'd rather rally support for President Bush based on what the president will do in the future, and based on the scary things that Kerry has advocated during his life as a politician. Whatever happened in the 1960's (good and bad) should probably be burried, IMHO.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Can we say Kerry shot himself in the foot on this one?

[backhoe]

Crosslinked- click the Pix:

[Mr. K]

bttt

[wjersey]

Michael Moore is available to make a movie about this --

[FR_addict]

Good Job! Raises lots of questions.

[muawiyah]

Quite intriguing. Look, with less material Lt. Col. Hackworth got Adm. Borda to blow his brains out. Why didn't Zumwalt do likewise knowing what he did about this situation ~ which was even worse ~ giving somebody a far higher award which was not justified certainly must have preyed on his mind.

Since he didn't pass away until 2000, certainly he had ample opportunity to repent properly.

Or maybe not all the Navy guys take these awards all that seriously (Hmmmm?! ~ I am beginning to suspect) so why award anything to those people?

[Christian4Bush]

Very interesting read.

IMHO, the only way that this dog is going to hunt is if the media brings it up (instead of the Republicans or the RNC).

You already saw how FJK responded to Gibson and GMA, snapping at Gibson, saying that the GOP was behind it, demeaning the President's Guard Service (after he defended Bubba over his lack of service, and said that who served or didn't serve was not an issue), even going as far as to say that liberal ABC was "doing the work of the Republican National Party."

I actually might have a better idea. If this slime so much as dares to try to use this guy's death to his political advantage, make sure that he gets called on it. Pool resources and get the word out. I want this slime, and those like him, defeaated by our President in a manner that will make Reagan/Mondale look like Bush/Gore.

[LiteKeeper]

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[jonno]

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[BlessedByLiberty]

Thank you for this.

Every time I see Kerry the old phrase "oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive" runs through my head.

[Stentor]

B&B.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

Just to add some other aspect into the mix, but, the Boston Globe series " John F Kerry, Candidate in the making, " Part 2 has this to say about the VC that Kerry dusted :

" Kerry often would go beyond his Navy orders and beach his boat, in one case chasing and killing a TEENAGE Viet Cong enemy who WORE ONLY A LOINCLOTH and carried a rocket launcher. "

Vietnamese teenagers are small. The naked teenager was 10 feet from Kerry's boat and running away.
One has to wonder why the Vietnam Super Hero couldn't catch what is basically a little kid by American standards, who was already slowed by the weight and mass of the rocket launcher.

[StarCMC]

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Ping to Kerry BS stuff

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"I’m an internationalist. I’d like to see our troops dispersed through [sic] the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
Hanoi John Kerry, The Harvard Crimson, 1970

HANOI KERRY
has a Campaign Platform
Just like the old days!

"It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle.
We lost the war at home and at home John Kerry was the field general"
- Bob Elder, Swift Boat Veteran For Truth

"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces,"
said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, chairman of the organization.
"This is not a political issue. It is a matter of honesty."

The book that Kerry wishes would just go away.

HanoiJohnKerry.com is a blog with a primary purpose. That purpose is to counter the preposterous claims of Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D-MA) that he has any legitimate claim to any sort of "brotherhood" among combat veterans of the War in Vietnam. While it is generally supposed that his service as a Naval officer on a "Swift Boat" in that theater was adequate and honorable, there is much to question regarding his readiness to allow the accolade "war hero" to be applied to him. Likewise, it is not at all uncommon for more senior Naval officers to raise an eyebrow at the swiftness and relative comfort by which Lt. JG Kerry attained those medals, and who is available to vouch for the efficacy of his being awarded them (since, as boat commander, it would be his own task to make recommendation for awards for all personnel, including himself, on the Swift Boat). But most egregious was his conduct, words and associations upon his early-out (from SEA) return to the USA and discharge from the US Navy. His leadership role with the radical pro-Communist (inaccurate to deem this group "anti-war") group called "Vietnam Veterans Against the [Vietnam] War" (hereafter VVAW).

It was while climbing the social and political ladder of the pro-Soviet Left as a principle of VVAW that John Kerry found his political soul-mate in Hanoi Jane Fonda. Granted, these politically formative years for Kerry were prior to the more outlandish acts of Fonda that earned her that name, but it is easily documentable that Fonda did not under go any radical transformation in belief or character from the time she and Kerry were working the same side of the street to the time she traveled to Hanoi, NVN and entered US history as the most overt traitor to ever NOT be charged, tried and executed. John Kerry went to his own overt extremes to demonstrate that, politically, socially and in lowness of character, there wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between he and Fonda. Thus, in the spirit of fairness and accuracy, we are reasonably certain that he will be agreeably flattered by calling him Hanoi John Kerry.

Here, testifying before the Fulbright Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is where John Kerry, spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, cemented his position and moniker as "Hanoi John" Kerry. This was the occasion where US troops still in the field in Vietnam learned from one of their FORMER brothers-in-arms that they were heinous murderers and war criminals. HJK would now like to call on them for support in his bid to be the new Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Perhaps the most preposterous hypocrisy of all.

[Rocky]

Thanks for posting this. Hope someone in the media pursues it. Kerry has tried to get a lot of mileage from his four months in Viet Nam.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt unless we have some really damning evidence. After all, he did serve in Viet Nam. No one has suggested that that is untrue.

But if it is clearly demonstrated that these medals were not obtained for legitimate actions, then I don't see how anyone except the most rabid Leftist could vote for him.

His actions after he returned to the U.S. are more clearly unfitting to a presidential candidate. And there was a theory put forward by someone on your previous thread that Kerry may have actually thrown his medals over the White House fence, although he now denies it, and then later requested replacements. Thus, Lehman's signature appears on one of his silver star documents. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128562/posts?page=28#28)

[Rockitz]

The brain always has difficulty in maintaining two different truths- what actually happened and what is portrayed.

[Fedora]

Senator Kerry arranged a news conference at the Courageous Sailing Center in the Charlestown Navy Yard. Those who attended on Kerry's behalf was very interesting. They were none other then retired Admiral Zumwalt himself, who commanded U.S. naval forces in Vietnam; Capt. George Elliott, Kerry's CO at the time; retired Cmdr. Adrian Longsdale, who commanded shoreline operations at the time; Tom Belodeau, one of Kerry's gunners who had fired at the enemy soldier and knocked him down with his M-60. Participating by phone from San Francisco was Michael Medeiros, who was the rear gunner on Kerry's boat.

In previous threads I've raised the question of whether Kerry's pre-Vietnam contacts with William and McGeorge Bundy of the Johnson administration may have led to some string-pulling in connection with his medals. Following up on that, after reading this I thought I'd check into Zumwalt. I haven't found anything conclusive yet, but I do notice that Zumwalt is mentioned in Len Colodny and Robert Getlin's Silent Coup while the authors are discussing a spy ring within the military, the Robinson-Radford ring, which was leaking classified information to Jack Anderson of the Washington Post. Zumwalt is not named as part of the spy ring but is mentioned as being in contact with some of its members, one of whom, Robert Welander, was also linked to Bob Woodward. I'm looking for an online summary--here's a little:

Joan Hoff, "THE NIXON STORY YOU NEVER HEARD"

As early as 1976 Admiral Elmo Zumwalt publicly made these military suspicions and resentment abundantly clear in his book, On Watch: A Memoir. "I had first become concerned many months before the June 1972 burglary," Zumwalt wrote, "[about] the deliberate, systematic and, unfortunately, extremely successful efforts of the President, Henry Kissinger, and a few subordinate members of their inner circle to conceal, sometimes by simple silence, more often by articulate deceit, their real policies about the most critical matters of national security." In a word, Zumwalt, like many within the American military elite, thought that Nixon's foreign policies bordered on the traitorous because they "were inimical to the security of the United States." This atmosphere of extreme distrust led Admiral Thomas Moorer, head of the JCS, to first authorize Rear Admiral Rembrandt C. Robinson and later Rear Admiral Robert O. Welander, both liaisons between the Joint Chiefs and the White House's National Security Council, to start spying on the NSC.").

I also note that about the same time Zumwalt appeared at this conference with Kerry, "President Clinton awarded Zumwalt the Presidential Medal of Freedom in January 1998." (Retired Adm. Elmo Zumwalt dies) There is also a little on Zumwalt in Nicosia's Home to War.

[FairWitness]

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