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U.S. Forces Battle Militiamen in Baghdad (great quote by an Iraqi here)
AP via yahoo ^ | 5-10-04 | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI

Posted on 05/10/2004 10:51:09 AM PDT by No Blue States

NAJAF, Iraq - U.S. forces stepped up pressure on Shiite gunmen loyal to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, pushing with tanks into the holy city of Kufa and assaulting militia positions in the narrow streets of a Shiite enclave in Baghdad. At least 34 Iraqis were killed.

The U.S. military also said a 24-year-old military policeman will be the first soldier to face a court-martial in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.

Spc. Jeremy C. Sivits, a member of the 372nd Military Police Company, has been charged with conspiracy to maltreat subordinates and detainees, dereliction of duty for negligently failing to protect detainees from abuse and cruelty and maltreatment of detainees, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

The court-martial will be held May 19 in Baghdad, and Kimmitt said it will be open to the media. If convicted, Sivits faces one year in prison, demotion or a discharge for bad conduct, military officials said.

The rest of the seven soldiers charged in the abuse likely will face trials where they could get more severe punishments — suggesting the military was starting the courts-martial with one of the lesser figures in the scandal.

The heaviest fighting in Baghdad came when militiamen from al-Sadr's Al-Mahdi Army attacked police stations and set up checkpoints in the Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City, a heavily populated district in the eastern part of the capital, Kimmitt said.

U.S. troops moved in and secured two police stations in fighting that killed 18 militiamen, Kimmitt said.

Earlier, an explosion tore apart shops in a market in the western Biyaa district. The blast occurred when police tried to dismantle two bombs found in vendors' stalls, witnesses said. Four people were killed and 17 were wounded, the Health Ministry said. Kimmitt said three people were killed.

"Is this the freedom that they want — people cut into pieces?," one man at the market, Fadhil Farid, cried. "What did we do wrong?"

At about the same time, gunmen opened fire on a U.S. patrol in western Baghdad, sparking a firefight that killed three Iraqi police, two civilians and one of the attackers, Kimmitt said. Fighters attacked another patrol in the center of the capital, wounding two Iraqi policemen.

The U.S. foray into Kufa was the deepest move yet into the city, an al-Mahdi Army stronghold. Several tanks pushed as close as 500 yards from Kufa's main mosque, trading fire with militiamen on both sides of the main road, witnesses said. Tanks also moved into the neighborhood on the other side of Kufa, trading fire with fighters.

Two civilians were killed and 10 others — including two children — were wounded in the battles, hospital officials said. Three houses were destroyed. The tanks pulled out of the city in the afternoon.

"It was the first time the Americans came this far," said Odai Abdulkarim, 24, a mechanic who has a shop off the highway leading to the Kufa mosque, where al-Sadr regularly leads Friday prayers. "We are afraid for our families, afraid the rockets would hit our house."

"Americans don't hit you if you don't hit them," interjected Haidar Abu Zaid, 35, another mechanic. "The al-Mahdi Army fires from our areas, so they have no choice but to fire at them — and we end up getting hurt."

Also Sunday, scattered clashes occurred between U.S. and militia forces in the industrial area of Najaf, where al-Sadr sought refuge last month. Plumes of black smoke could be seen rising from the area. Iraqi police and U.S. tanks blocked the main road from Najaf to nearby Kufa, residents said.

The U.S. military has vowed to kill or capture al-Sadr and put down his militia, which has taken control of much of the holy cities of Kufa, Najaf and Karbala, south of the capital. But troops have been hampered by the nearby sites revered by Iraq (news - web sites)'s Shiite majority. Still, U.S. forces have been moving more aggressively against al-Sadr fighters in their strongholds. U.S. troops raided the cleric's main office in Sadr City on Saturday night, detaining six people — including a suspected al-Sadr lieutenant and financier, Kimmitt said.

He vowed that al-Sadr's movement would be put down in Sadr City, named after the young cleric's martyred father, a senior ayatollah.

"These are still some inside that district that are of the belief that Muqtada's militia can operate freely ... that somehow Muqtada has some sort of legitimate control over that district. They'll find out they're wrong," Kimmitt said.

Al-Sadr's militia fired mortar shells before dawn Sunday at the governor's office and other British positions in Amarah, 180 miles southeast of Baghdad, the scene of fighting the day before, a British official and residents said.

No British casualties were reported in that attack, but British spokesman Maj. Ian Clooney said "a number of possible mortar positions" were destroyed.

Several houses were destroyed in Amarah's Sadeq district, killing four civilians. Residents accused British helicopters of striking the neighborhood, but Clooney said no helicopters opened fire in the operation.

"There were helicopters circling the area, then they started firing," said Subeih Hassan, standing in front of his demolished house.

His brother was killed in the attack. The victims in nearby houses included an 8-month-old child, residents said.

In Basra, 100 miles south of Amarah, three coalition soldiers were wounded when a large explosion occurred near a coalition convoy Sunday morning, Clooney said. Witnesses said the wounded soldiers were British.

Elsewhere, a U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded Saturday in a mortar attack on a coalition base in the northern city of Mosul, the U.S. command said in a statement. Another soldier died in an "electrical accident," the command said.

The latest deaths bring to 765 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Of those, 557 died as a result of hostile action and 208 died of non-hostile causes.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baghdad; iraq; kufa; najaf; quotes; sadrmilitia; sivits; ustroops; waronterror
Check this out, he gets it..the younger Iraqi doesnt:

"Americans don't hit you if you don't hit them," interjected Haidar Abu Zaid, 35, another mechanic. "The al-Mahdi Army fires from our areas, so they have no choice but to fire at them — and we end up getting hurt."

1 posted on 05/10/2004 10:51:09 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
Straight-minded thinking. Iraq is begining to sound like a western country...
2 posted on 05/10/2004 10:55:32 AM PDT by mench
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To: mench
Also just him saying that in public, indicates that the fear of Sadr and his thugs is greatly diminished.

Some may have felt this way all along but couldnt openly show support for the Coalition.

There is much work to be done, and I dont want to be overly optimistic. But there are some good signs the last week or 2. If sentiments like the guys above spreads, this could be very good for the Coalition and good Iraqis.

3 posted on 05/10/2004 10:58:29 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
Things are looking very good. We aren't seeing more copycat open revolts, and we aren't hearing about new demands for power sharing coming from those using arms against us.

Moreover, notice how many local Iraqis are helping us move into these areas of unrest to set up checkpoints and carry out patrols. The more that such friendly Iraqis are involved in settling their country down, the better.

4 posted on 05/10/2004 11:08:18 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: No Blue States
We need to pick up the pressure. The scandals are bad enough, but we didn't undertake this war to be prison masters, we intervened to destroy a monstrous regime and replace it with a humane one. Anything that gets in the way of that, whether it be bad PR or actual abuses by our soldiers, must be seen in that light.

Sure, we want to straighten out our problems in the rear echelons, but more important is to achieve complete military victory so that the rear echelons can be handed off to the Iraqis themselves. So in the face of insurgency, push forward. In the face of bad press, push forward. In the face of revelations of incompetence among a few of our part-time soldiers, push forward. If we find out tomorrow that the French don't like us, push forward.
5 posted on 05/10/2004 11:09:25 AM PDT by marron
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To: No Blue States
The name of the author is SCHEHEREZADE. Seems like I've heard that name 1001 times before.
6 posted on 05/10/2004 11:20:13 AM PDT by GeraldP (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: No Blue States
How many anti-American statements can one AP writer get into one article?
7 posted on 05/10/2004 11:27:55 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Southack
Got a guess if we will move on Sadr?
8 posted on 05/10/2004 11:47:09 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Dog
Will we move on him? Only if that's the best way. Other options, such as marginalizing him in his own community, convincing his religious peers to stand him down, or using local friendly Iraqis to end his uprising will most certainly be given fair shots at him first.

After all, we want friendly Iraqis getting credit for taking back their own country...and we want to do as little baby-sitting for them as possible in the meantime.

Moreover, this is a low-intensity conflict/occupation. Expect mostly low-intensity solutions at this stage.

Unless, of course, you happen to be Iran, Lebanon, or Syria!

9 posted on 05/10/2004 12:12:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: BushisTheMan; Dog
"How many anti-American statements can one AP writer get into one article?"

It gets old doesnt it.

Take note however that they actually quoted a good Iraqi along with their usual tripe.

Anyone know if the 150 Iraqi clerics ultimatum to Sadr and his cronies to disarm and disband by may 15th still stand?

Im sure I read it here last week but now it is the 10th and no articles ive seen are mentioning it anymore. The plan seemed workable, and was backed up by the threat of Military force.

Prediction: Sadr and his thugs wont be an issue this time next week.

10 posted on 05/10/2004 12:13:51 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: marron
"We need to pick up the pressure. The scandals are bad enough, but we didn't undertake this war to be prison masters, we intervened to destroy a monstrous regime and replace it with a humane one. Anything that gets in the way of that, whether it be bad PR or actual abuses by our soldiers, must be seen in that light."

That bears repeating, especially in light the overblown prisoner abuse fiasco. We need to keep moving the sticks down field.

11 posted on 05/10/2004 12:23:54 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Southack
When good times and open freedom break out in Iraq at some point, liberals and democrats can be proud they tried to sabotage the whole plan.
(after being for it closer to sept 11th)
12 posted on 05/10/2004 12:31:42 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: GeraldP
Alf layla Wa Layla
13 posted on 05/10/2004 12:38:45 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: No Blue States
Two good Iraqis, I think - this guy seems to be talking about the militiamen in a negative way...

"Is this the freedom that they want — people cut into pieces?," one man at the market, Fadhil Farid, cried. "What did we do wrong?"

14 posted on 05/10/2004 1:04:05 PM PDT by A. Goodwin
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To: A. Goodwin
Not sure about this one. This guy's hotel got blown up in Baghdad and he was ticked. He was on the news.

Unfortunately, I'm sure he was talking about the Coalition in the "freedom that they want" part.

They blame the so-called occupiers instead of the bombers.

The day that I see them blame their own, is the day that I know the tide has turned.

15 posted on 05/10/2004 4:46:23 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: No Blue States
I never heard anything about May 15.

But I agree that, if not next week, then shortly thereafter, the thugs will be out of Najaf.

Unfortunately, there will still be trouble in Sadr City in Baghdad unless Sadr is DEAD DEAD DEAD
16 posted on 05/10/2004 4:48:55 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Dog
Got a guess if we will move on Sadr?

About as good as the Israelis moving on Arafat. Not good.
17 posted on 05/10/2004 4:50:43 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: BushisTheMan
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI, Associated Press.
18 posted on 05/10/2004 4:55:36 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: No Blue States
Bump!

A heartening quote.
19 posted on 05/10/2004 4:55:44 PM PDT by k2blader (Some folks should worry less about how conservatives vote and more about how to advance conservatism)
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