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NJ politicians: Catholic Church is seeking too big a role, Senate leader leaves Church
Philly.com | 05.09.04 | Tom Turcol

Posted on 05/09/2004 4:02:12 PM PDT by Coleus

N.J. politicians: Church is seeking too big a role




Inquirer Staff Writer

Roman Catholic politicians in New Jersey, including one who left the church yesterday, are expressing anger at what they say is an attempt by church leaders to force them to decide between their government oaths and their religion.

Elected officials said that escalating demands by the church hierarchy in New Jersey that Gov. McGreevey and others vote in accordance with Catholic doctrine on public issues runs counter to the principle of the separation of church and state.

State Senate Majority Leader Bernard Kenny said he told his pastor yesterday that he had decided to leave the church after 57 years.

Senator Bernard F. Kenney, Jr. (D)

If every faith starts trying to impose their rules on elected officials, democracy is going to be factionalized along religious lines," said Kenny, a Democrat from Hudson County.

Another Catholic Democrat, U.S. Rep. William Pascrell Jr. of Essex County, said he "was not sent to Congress to follow the dictates of the Catholic Church. I have to represent everybody in my district. That's what democracy is all about."

Pascrell and others said the church's position also threatened to resurrect the stigma against Catholics running for office that was erased by President John F. Kennedy's election nearly a half-century ago. During the 1960 campaign, Kennedy and Catholic leaders assured a skeptical public that the church would not influence his decisions as president.

"This is exactly what the Catholic Church said 50 years ago would not happen when Catholic politicians were trying to get elected to office," said Kenny, a former altar boy. "It is a total reversal of the position that enabled Catholics to represent people of all faiths and all backgrounds."

The church's increasingly aggressive stance sent shudders through the ranks of Catholic politicians in a state where the majority of elected officials support abortion rights, as do three-quarters of the voters.

The church ignited a political firestorm in the last few weeks when leading clerics, including the archbishop of Newark, declared that McGreevey and other elected officials should be denied Holy Communion because of their support for abortion rights, embryonic stem-cell research, and other programs that run counter to church doctrine.

As the pressure from top clerics grew, McGreevey said he would abide by the church's wishes and not attempt to receive Communion, though he reasserted his independence from the church in running the state.

"I'm a Catholic and I greatly value my faith and draw great strength from it, but I also have a constitutional obligation as governor," McGreevey said in an interview Friday.

The governor, who faces reelection next year, added: "I'm responsible to eight and a half million citizens who represent diverse faiths and backgrounds."

Unlike McGreevey, Pascrell said he would not submit to the church's directive with regard to the Eucharist. "I will continue receiving Communion - not in defiance but out of conscience. I have nothing to apologize for."

State Sen. Raymond Lesniak, a veteran Democrat from Union County, said that he would follow his church's wishes in New Jersey and that he would drive to New York City to receive Communion.

Lesniak, a former altar boy like many of his colleagues, is honorary chairman of this year's Pulaski Day Parade in New York and has been invited to a ceremonial audience with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican this summer. Yet, he said, he cannot receive Communion in his home state.

"The archbishop of Newark has made it clear that our presence is unwelcome at the altar," Lesniak said.

Kenny said that, at a meeting he arranged this weekend with his pastor, Msgr. Frank Del Prete, of SS. Peter and Paul Church in Hoboken, he asked whether he would be denied Communion because of his support for abortion rights and stem-cell research. Kenny said he was told he would be offered Communion one more time "but that then he would tell me not to come again."

"I will look for other options to express my faith and will probably join another Christian church," Kenny said.

"Under the church's position," he said, "the public could justifiably infer that the act of a public official taking Communion means they were following the directives of the church on policy issues."

A spokesman for the Archdiocese of Newark declined to comment on Kenny's decision.

Lesniak said it was "unconscionable" for Newark Archbishop John J. Myers to condone violating the separation of church and state. The church, he said, "ought to be trying to bring people together, not separate them."

"The last thing we need is a religious war in our own country," said Assemblyman Louis Manzo, a Democrat from Hudson County. "By resurrecting this issue, the church is making it harder for Roman Catholics to overcome the barriers that John Kennedy knocked down almost 50 years ago."

The church's stance was also questioned by U.S. Rep. Frank A. LoBiondo, a Republican Catholic from Vineland.

LoBiondo said the church had every right to aggressively assert its positions on issues, but it should not obligate Catholic politicians to vote a certain way.

Democrats are especially worried because the church has singled out members of their party, including McGreevey and Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats' presumptive presidential candidate.

Pascrell and others questioned why the church was targeting Democrats who support abortion rights while ignoring politicians who vote against church positions on issues such as unjust wars and the death penalty.

Some Catholic politicians said they did not want to be quoted for fear of antagonizing either voters or the church.

Analysts said the church's stance represents a political wild card in a highly urbanized, ethnic state such as New Jersey, where more than of half the voters are Catholic, as are a substantial portion of its local, state and federal officeholders.

New Jersey is one of the nation's most politically moderate states, with polls showing that three-quarters of voters favor abortion rights.

Surveys show that New Jersey Catholics support abortion rights by roughly the same overwhelming proportion, as do a great majority of Catholic officeholders in the state.

Some, however, said that passionate appeals from the pulpit could influence enough Catholics to affect the outcome of close elections.

The Democrats' most immediate concern is Kerry, who is running neck-and-neck with Bush in most public opinion polls. Several of this year's battleground states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Michigan, have sizable numbers of Catholic voters.

McGreevey has endured a rocky first term and is considered highly vulnerable in his bid for a second term next year. A concerted challenge by church officials could hurt him in a close race.

McGreevey's landslide election in 2001 was attributed largely to his decision early in the campaign to highlight his views on abortion.

During the campaign, McGreevey's frequent references to his days as an altar boy and his Catholic faith helped him win the Catholic vote by a wide margin, even capturing the support of Catholics from more conservative, blue-collar areas.

"In a close race you can't afford to lose even 5 percent of the Catholic vote in this state," said David Rebovich, director of Political Science at Rider University.

Rebovich said pressure from the church could cause McGreevey and other Catholic politicians to change their positions on issues such as abortion, risking a loss of credibility with voters.

McGreevey, for one, said there would be no change in his positions.

The governor said he was "strongly and unequivocally" in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion, adding that there was no place for government interference in what he said was "an intensely personal decision between the woman and her doctor."

Many said the church's position could deter Catholics from getting involved in politics.

"If the price of running for public office is a public scolding by your bishop, then many may choose not to run," said Thomas O'Neil, a past executive director of the state Democratic Party.

LoBiondo and Pascrell said the church was creating an untenable standard both for Catholic politicians and religious officials.

They noted that some issues are so complex that a lawmaker could be both in compliance and in violation of church doctrine on the same piece of legislation.

"It's difficult because on many issues there's not a hard and fast line on where people stand," LoBiondo said, noting that lawmakers generally support certain aspects of an issue or legislation while opposing others.

"Will a bishop or priest understand someone's voting record completely, and how are they going to make that decision in the Communion line?" LoBiondo said.

A Democratic state legislator, who asked not to be named, agreed, saying, "What are we going to do, have priests standing at the Communion rail with legislative indexes in their hands?"

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Roe vs. Wade could be overturned based just on the reading of the law.

Indeed, I've read that there are pro-abort legal scholars who also think that Roe was so badly "reasoned" as to make it untenable.

101 posted on 05/10/2004 2:50:45 AM PDT by maryz
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To: muslims=borg
I could never understand how someone could be Catholic and be a democrat in the first place.

In my grandparents' time (in the Northeast anyway), Republicans really were the party of big business, were anti-Irish and other immigrants, and were anti-Catholic (actually they were anti Catholic immigrants -- Irish, Italian, Lithuanian, Polish, etc.). Lots of people learned their politics from their families and won't change. I think they're primarily people who aren't terribly interested in politics (here in Boston, the Dems played busing so well that lots of people thought the Republicans were behind it).

102 posted on 05/10/2004 2:55:36 AM PDT by maryz
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To: NJ_gent
Are politicians special? They're no more or less human (jokes aside) than any of the rest of us, yet they receive special, public attention from the Church when it suits the Church.

No, they're not special (except to themselves). But they are public people. The distinction is the same as the one C.S. Lewis draws about the duties of the executioner: he cannot morally execute someone he happens to know to be innocent; this does not mean he has to take over police duties.

103 posted on 05/10/2004 2:59:31 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Siobhan
In America, that seems to be the Unitarian Church. They seem to think everything's a-okay.
104 posted on 05/10/2004 3:04:02 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: OMalley
They don't like having to make a choice between politics and religion. what this seems to be saying to me is these politicians dont want to be forced to chose between heaven or hell/the world or Christ-they want their cake and eat it too.

Exactly! Do you know C.S. Lewis' Narnia series? In the last book, the dwarves won't choose between the two sides: "The dwarves are for the dwarves!" (Actually, this echoes an old European tradition that the dwarves, leprechauns, "little people" are those who wouldn't choose between God and Satan when Lucifer was cast down. That's why in so many stories they are totally unreliable -- not predictably bad and certainly not good, just unreliable.)

105 posted on 05/10/2004 3:04:43 AM PDT by maryz
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To: txzman
Yeah, plus he's trying to make people feel sorry for him -- "they MADE me leave the Church that I love..." Riiight!
106 posted on 05/10/2004 3:05:41 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: NJ_gent
Just how would you feel if a Muslim politician reversed their position on an important issue to one which goes against 75% of their constituentcy's wishes following a cleric's Fatwah?

I expect politicians to run on what they actually believe, and the voters can vote for or against. A fatwah is not considered by Muslims to be universally binding even on Muslims. And I would deeply distrust a politician who claimed to be a Muslim (or anything else) but voted in reckless disregard of the teachings he supposedly espoused.

107 posted on 05/10/2004 3:14:18 AM PDT by maryz
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To: IrishRainy
In America, that seems to be the Unitarian Church. They seem to think everything's a-okay.

Make that Unitarian-Universalist. When the Unitarians were separate, they actually had some standards. I recall from an American literature course in graduate school that Ralph Waldo Emerson left the Unitarian church just before he would have been thrown out.

108 posted on 05/10/2004 3:17:22 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Coleus
This will probably become a moot point when the country beomes so diverse that the Muslims will comprise an overwhelming majority. Then all other religions will be outlawed and us "infidels" will be imprisoned and ridiculed, humiliated or tortured and the dominant media will not emit a peep of disesnt!
109 posted on 05/10/2004 3:24:30 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Coleus
Roman Catholic politicians in New Jersey, including one who left the church yesterday, are expressing anger at what they say is an attempt by church leaders to force them to decide between their government oaths and their religion.

Uh, yeah.

So which one will it be? I think we already know the answer.

110 posted on 05/10/2004 5:59:01 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
For someone to give up Holy Communion or to leave the Church in order to promote "abortion rights" is so obscene and so grotesquely absurd it defies comment.

Well said.

111 posted on 05/10/2004 6:01:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Stagerite
Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

Shouldn't you be at the abortuary killing babies or something?

112 posted on 05/10/2004 6:03:47 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Coleus
These people are not "Catholics".

The Catholic Church has clear and unambivalent positions with respect to abortion and divorce.

Yet many individuals who claim to be Catholic attend Catholic services and particiapte in Catholic Sacrements to which they are not entitled by Catholic dogma.

The Catholic Church is not structured as a Democracy. Polls do not determine morality - the Pope does, based on his interpretation of Biblical scripture.

While fundmantal Protestants like myself can take issue with the role of the Pope in doing so, we cannot take issue with the basic scripture upon which his positions are based. Abortion is murder. Life begins at the moment of conception and the Bible is quite clear about the taking of innocent life. Christ himself has stated that any man who puts away his wife for any reason except adultery is guilty of adultery himself.

This individual and McGreevery may smugly content that they are Catholics and yet disagree with basic Christian doctrine, they may smugly contend that they represent individuals of divergent religious faiths (yet even other faiths like Islam and Orthodox Judaism have views on abortion strikingly similar to those of the Catholic Church, as do fundamentalist Protestants), they are fooling no one.

Polls do not determine morality - Scripture does. And these individuals have made a choice. They have sacrificed their faith for politics and should be men enough to admit it, instead of mouthing these mindless rationalizations.

113 posted on 05/10/2004 6:15:27 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: NJ_gent
This is where you lost me. Have these two individuals been performing abortions?

Did Hitler personally murder any Jews?

114 posted on 05/10/2004 6:18:29 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: maryz
(Actually, this echoes an old European tradition that the dwarves, leprechauns, "little people" are those who wouldn't choose between God and Satan when Lucifer was cast down. That's why in so many stories they are totally unreliable -- not predictably bad and certainly not good, just unreliable.)

Interesting.

115 posted on 05/10/2004 6:20:57 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer
Great news... let's get all of them out.
116 posted on 05/10/2004 6:32:27 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Coleus
Let 'em leave. If they choose to put their popularity with voters ahead of what Christ (and it is Christ ... not a church) asks them to do, then they're not really following Him anyway.
117 posted on 05/10/2004 6:37:20 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Scientology? Metro Community Church? Zoroastrianism? Bah'ai? Santaria? Rastafarian?
118 posted on 05/10/2004 6:42:18 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Aquinasfan
Shouldn't you be at the abortuary killing babies or something?

Please step outside your abuse box and consider your reaction to elected Muslim politicians forcing Americans to live under Islamic "law."

119 posted on 05/10/2004 6:58:17 AM PDT by Stagerite
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To: GreatOne
"This is exactly what the Catholic Church said 50 years ago would not happen when Catholic politicians were trying to get elected to office," said Kenny, a former altar boy. "It is a total reversal of the position that enabled Catholics to represent people of all faiths and all backgrounds."

I don't see anything that prevents any of these "former altar boys" from holding office. The issue is whether they get to present and promote themselves as "Catholics." I do give some credit to the ones who are finding other faiths (however grudgingly). They should have done that a long time ago. But this attitude of "we have to bend the rules so Catholics can hold public office" is the real violation of church and state separation. The state is trying to intervene in the governance of the church, not the other way around.

120 posted on 05/10/2004 7:03:56 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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