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Rumsfeld only tip of iceberg (Cynthia Tucker Alert)
The Altlanta Journal Constitution ^ | May 9. 2004 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 05/08/2004 6:49:37 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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To: raptor29
I can't believe that they filmed the activity due to stupidity

I can. There is no limit to collective stupity unconstrained by adult supervision. We see it all the time. Frat parties, Congressment, liberal newspaper reporters. Why do you think that Communism failed - the stupidity of collections of humans where the right of individual dissent was supressed.

41 posted on 05/09/2004 5:57:46 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SamAdams76
"........Let's hope the measures taken against these bad apples are swift and stern. I served in the U.S. Marine Corps and this whole episode is a major embarrassment........"

This is a stain on this country's, and the U.S. Military's good name. However, unlike Sadaam Hussein and his cronies, our criminals WILL be brought to justice because of the checks and balences, honesty, and transparency in our system. We should all remember THAT, and repeat it to the salivating, hyperventilating media. The operable word here is 'swift' since the Dem's are using this as a talking point in an election year by trying to draw some kind of twisted 'equivalency' (Moral Relativism?) in the public's mind.

Nonetheless, given that this is a case that is still being investigated (Pretrial), the leaking of the photos is highly inflammatory and could actually aid the 'Defense'. I would love to know what clown in the Dept. of Defence is doing THIS and what he/she/it hoped to accomplish.

42 posted on 05/09/2004 6:11:46 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael
ALWAYS keep your name clean!

Your Daddy was absolutely correct. Seems Clintoon perverted this into "The hell with my name I'll just keep my 'signature' clean". Too bad he forgot about the blue dress.
43 posted on 05/09/2004 6:21:35 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: BabsC
".....ALWAYS keep your name clean!......"

We, in this country, seemed to have forgotten a lot of the things that were common sense aspects of society's morals from days past. Slowly, inexorably, we are 'forgetting' our Western Heritage.

Then again, we don't have time for this stuff nowadays since kids are too busy learning how to put condoms on bananas and MORALS like the above-statement are have no place in todays school system since they may offend someone else's culture.

Sadly, 'Chivalry' is dead. Its being replaced by the crap on MTV like 'Jackass', etc. and Howard Stern.

JMHO!

44 posted on 05/09/2004 6:32:57 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Tucker,

I would effect something along the lines of the following. So, it could be worse:

How to win the war:

Numbers 31:8 And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.
Numbers 31:9 And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered.
Numbers 31:10 Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire.
Numbers 31:11 And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.
Numbers 31:12 And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.
Numbers 31:13 And Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.
Numbers 31:14 And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
Numbers 31:15 And Moses said to them, "Have you spared all the women?
Numbers 31:16 "Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord.
Numbers 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
Numbers 31:18 "But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

If we don't do something drastic, we're going to be fighting this war for the rest of our national existence, just like the Israelis.

45 posted on 05/09/2004 6:37:20 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"Seems someone did."

Well, I stopped trusting Hackworth a while ago. His personal agendas began to override right and wrong. It's like these ex-military guys get the red-ass if the current administration doesn't treat them like they are gods, and follow their every recommendation. That's Hackworth, to me, anyway.

46 posted on 05/09/2004 10:21:58 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: DoctorMichael
Sadly, 'Chivalry' is dead.

Not quite, I've been married for 22 years and my husband still stands till I'm seated, opens my door, walks curbside etc...Believe me I know how fortunate I am.
47 posted on 05/09/2004 6:04:51 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: BabsC
"...22 years..."

Good for you! And many more, I hope.

I'm getting to the backside of 40 and never been married. I remember my girlfriend over 20 years ago (circa 1982, I think it was) calling me a "male chauvinist pig" when I opened a restaurant door for her one evening. Boy, was I young and stupid.

48 posted on 05/09/2004 6:37:59 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael
Thank you. The secret is always treating each other politely and with consideration. Also I am strong on fully integrated honesty. Few people realize how free it makes everything in life if you never lie and stay out of debt. Oh yeah, stightly overpay your taxes.

No, you were not stupid she was and if she grew up and matured at all she is regretting what she let get away.
49 posted on 05/10/2004 6:42:40 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: raptor29
"What would have been the incentive for the perpetraitors to film all of this?"

Perhaps these photos were taken so that the prisoners could be confronted with the photos later on. They would be told that unless they told what they knew the pictures would be displayed around their home town. I imagine the fear and shame this would provoke could loosen a lot of tongues.

50 posted on 05/10/2004 6:51:47 AM PDT by joebuck
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