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Rumsfeld only tip of iceberg (Cynthia Tucker Alert)
The Altlanta Journal Constitution ^ | May 9. 2004 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 05/08/2004 6:49:37 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

President Bush wants you to know he's upset with Donald Rumsfeld. Though the president is standing by his man, he had his press aides put out the word that he called the defense secretary on the carpet last week over the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.

Rumsfeld, it turns out, never told the president about the pictures. And that has Bush pretty doggone mad.

The photographs, after all, made the difference. Without them, the Bushites could still go around the country blithely declaring that things are going just fine in Iraq, despite some "rough patches" brought on by a "violent few." Without the photos, the president would never have been forced to give interviews on Arab TV or to apologize -- apologize, for heaven's sake! -- to Jordan's King Abdullah. Without the pictures, it would have been business as usual.

Darn those pesky images!

Let's be clear about what happened at the Abu Ghraib prison. This wasn't the sort of hazing to which Detective Andy Sipowicz (Dennis Franz) routinely subjects criminal suspects on ABC's "NYPD Blue." This was abuse and torture that violate basic standards of human decency, much of it aimed at Iraqis who were not accused of terrorism.

The military investigation cited "numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses," including forcing male detainees to masturbate for the cameras and sodomizing at least one detainee with a chemical light or a broomstick.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about the pictures is the smiling visages of American soldiers as they force naked Iraqi men into degrading sexual poses. They remind me of photographs of lynchings from the bitter days of Jim Crow, when white Southerners brought their families out to watch the torture and execution of black Southerners, as if they were going to the circus. In those photos, too, the torturers are all smiles.

The White House acknowledges that Rumsfeld alerted the president several weeks ago -- if not months ago -- to a sweeping investigation of complaints of abuse and torture of prisoners by U.S. soldiers, not just in Iraq but also in Afghanistan. But Bush never bothered to read the full report. For that matter, neither did Rumsfeld. He complained in a TV interview that the documents comprise "a mountain of paper."

So neither man had any deep and abiding concern over the fact that U.S. soldiers were emulating some of the torment employed by Saddam Hussein when he held prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Before the release of the photos, neither seemed to care that abusing Iraqi prisoners -- forcing them into just the sort of humiliating poses that are most offensive in the Islamic world -- would only set back the cause of establishing a pro-Western democracy in Iraq.

By last week, not just Democrats but also Republicans were beginning to suggest that Rumsfeld be fired. It is, admittedly, a prospect with a certain appeal: Who would mourn the sacking of the swaggering, cocksure defense secretary?

But it wouldn't change a thing. Rumsfeld is no errant incompetent in an administration full of hard-nosed realists, men and women dedicated to righting their policies when they discover that things have gone awry. No, indeed. The secretary of defense is a perfect representative of a group of people so convinced of their own righteousness that they are untroubled by even the most inconvenient facts.

Nor would Rumsfeld's resignation change this ugly truth, only now becoming visible to the American public: Inevitably, inexorably, occupation breeds barbarity and inhumanity in the occupier, like a virus that flourishes in dark places. As the French became ever more savage in their attempts to pacify the Algerians, as the Japanese brutalized the Chinese in World War II, so will more young American men and women become brutish in their treatment of Iraqis.

Bush and administration officials are working hard to portray the outrages at Abu Ghraib as isolated examples, just a few soldiers gone bad. Would that it were so. Under certain circumstances, many of us have the capacity for barbarity.

Whether Rumsfeld stays or goes, the U.S. occupation of Iraq is bound to grow uglier still.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; cynthiatucker; iraqiprison; runsfeld
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
She took the time to write all that to tell the American people the same thing that GWB has been saying for some time now. Geeze.

the U.S. occupation of Iraq is bound to grow uglier still.

Okay we have heard that already, you got anything else Cyn?

21 posted on 05/08/2004 7:30:47 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: raptor29
Once again, I ask, has anyone answered (or for that matter, even asked) why all this prisoner 'abuse' was filmed, and to such a great extent? What would have been the incentive for the perpetraitors to film all of this?

My question too... A camera records the side that is being filmed but does not record the motivation of the filmer. We are only seeing the one side. And worse, we are crucifying one while ignoring the other.......

22 posted on 05/08/2004 7:39:19 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: okie01
Hmmmmmm. I wonder why darlin' Cindy didn't include Germany and Japan in her litany...

as the Japanese brutalized the Chinese in World War II,

The witch did include Japan.

FMCDH

24 posted on 05/08/2004 8:00:55 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I must really be stupid, cause I don't see anything worse suffered by the Prisoners than I saw (received) in Ranger School in 1978.

I don't believe an Army Ranger would make such a foolish statement. I made it thru Parris Island and AIT at Lejune. We never had the phase that dealt with mutual mastubation or shoving broomsticks up each other's ass.

25 posted on 05/08/2004 8:07:53 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
This was abuse and torture that violate basic standards of human decency, much of it aimed at Iraqis who were not accused of terrorism.

Good Lord, where have human decency standards gone?

I would trust that in a time of war that soldiers would be the focus of human abuse, more than civilians, however I am sure that if such an abuse case were to happen in the life of American citizens that Cynthia wouldn't even blink an eye toward it.

You don't suppose that worse atrocities occur state side do you?

26 posted on 05/08/2004 8:13:46 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: raptor29
Possibility was to sell the pictures to a gay porn site.
27 posted on 05/08/2004 8:18:42 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: cyncooper
Cynthia Tucker is a lying bitch.

Tell us what you really think *L*

28 posted on 05/08/2004 8:19:30 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"Bush and administration officials are working hard to portray the outrages at Abu Ghraib as isolated examples, just a few soldiers gone bad. Would that it were so. Under certain circumstances, many of us have the capacity for barbarity."

Yes indeed we do,Cynthia! What I'd like to do to you right now for a statement like that is pretty damn barbaric
29 posted on 05/08/2004 8:26:55 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Tagline temporarily out of order)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"Amazing, we now have Jim Crow lynchings associated with the Iraqi Prisoner abuse. Therefore US Military is the same as he KKK. "

Cynthia Tucker is possibly the most racist person in the United States. She carries a chip on her shoulder bigger than Texas, and can manage to find something "racially offense" [to her] in just about anything.

I've read her rants on everything from iced tea to this article, all claiming racism prevailing on whatever her current subject was about.

I live in Atlanta, and I cancelled my subscription to the AJC BECAUSE of Cynthia Tucker...and everytime their subscription hunters call me about subscribing, I say "fire Cynthia Tucker...and I will..."

Of course she hates Rumsfeld, and of course she hates Bush...they're white, aren't they?
30 posted on 05/08/2004 8:29:21 PM PDT by FrankR
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
They remind me of photographs of lynchings from the bitter days of Jim Crow, when white Southerners brought their families out to watch the torture and execution of black Southerners, as if they were going to the circus.

Apples and f*ck*n' oranges, you dilly broad!

No one is saying that any of this was a "good thing!" But noooooo....all you moonbats wanna blame this for all the ills of Iraq!

Just pilin' on, dammit!

31 posted on 05/08/2004 8:29:43 PM PDT by mhking (Don't wait for the translation, ANSWER ME NOW!)
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To: Mo1
She ticked me off!

(LOL)
32 posted on 05/08/2004 8:50:57 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: FrankR
Of course she hates Rumsfeld, and of course she hates Bush...they're white, aren't they?

AND they've both got the dreaded, eeeevul 'R' after their names.

33 posted on 05/08/2004 9:31:47 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: anniegetyourgun
you are right about Byrd----did you see him act like an old, senile, fool at the hearings--he could not even speak clearly while slobbering over his papers---nice to note that the 'sweet girl' who loves to point a naked mens bxxxs and is knocked up by the grinning jackass in one of the pics, is a citizen of his state---hmmmm--does it tell one anything?
34 posted on 05/08/2004 9:42:04 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Cynthia's brain is like the "Emperor's New Clothes".

She really thinks she has one. Everyone else can plainly see otherwise.

35 posted on 05/09/2004 4:52:04 AM PDT by capt. norm (Rap is to music what the Etch-A-Sketch is to art.)
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To: dwilli
Point taken, I'll agree with the broom sticks, however, read Black Hawk Down for some more insight.

I was using more of the analogy that there was a lot of abusive behavior in Ranger School, and we survived it. One incident that really sticks to my mind was when an R.I. got pissed at a student, and had him climb up a tree then flap his arms like a bird while yelling out "I am a sh*tbird but I can't fly."

Another R.I. saw students having to do elevated push ups in a foot and a 1/2 of water. He thought that was such a great idea he went looking for more participants.

Didn't see any stress cards come out while there. However, I do think the R.I.'s had a unofficial contest to see who could come up with the imaginative punishment.
36 posted on 05/09/2004 5:34:07 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: raptor29
They say that there are over 1000 pictures and some video? And no one in the mix would have stepped forward with concern about the possible ramifications?

read WND today: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38407

Seems someone did.
37 posted on 05/09/2004 5:44:56 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: DoctorMichael
Like a stuffed mountain lions head on the wall, I'm sure they just wanted something to pass around in the future to show what bad-asses they were.

That's a good point. The ubiquity of digital cameras was something that did not exist in previous wars. Obviously some of these pictures were staged by some very immature soldiers who wanted to portray themselves as "bad-asses" to their friends back home. It's a shame because they really stained the honor of the United States and have done irreparable harm. Let's hope the measures taken against these bad apples are swift and stern. I served in the U.S. Marine Corps and this whole episode is a major embarrassment.

38 posted on 05/09/2004 5:51:36 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I don't own this gas-guzzling SUV - my wife does!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I have no problem with tough interrogation involving pain, mental manipulation, food/sleep depravation/reward. I was told to expect such if captured. This thing in the Iraqi prison involves sexual sickos enjoying disgusting behavior at the expense of prisoners. I would have much more respect for interrogators using murder of one terrorist to get another to open up. That is wrong also but effective.

This is sexual perversion, the military has no billets for the kind of deranged people who performed these deeds.

The damage this has done to our proud military is beyond comprehension.

39 posted on 05/09/2004 5:51:39 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: Straight Vermonter
I cannot believe that anyone would expect the Secretary of Defense to be the watch dog of this. How about army Capt., Major, or Colonel???
40 posted on 05/09/2004 5:52:38 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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