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To: lelio
The reality that they will die and they don't know what will happen afterwards. Atheists like to think that at death they cease to exist. That is not true, and because even avowed, dedicated, very faithful atheists still have nagging doubts about the certitude of the cessation of their existence with the death of the body, they try to silence all religious expression around them.

Atheism and the secularism that stems from it will be the ruination of western civilization if not checked. There is no doubt about this. Moral absolutes are essentially the same in every world religion. This is not a sectarian issue. It is a theism issue.

As a country and civilization, we reject religion and the moral absolutes it teaches as our foundation with great peril and risk. The only alternative to accepting these universal moral absolutes is "every man for himself". "What I think is true for me, and what you think is true for me". Moral relativism. And you know where that quickly leads?

Dog eat dog. The bigger, stronger dog dictates to the smaller or less numerous or powerful dogs. That's all.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 6:19:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Atheism and the secularism that stems from it will be the ruination of western civilization if not checked.

And how exactly do you propose to check the growing Atheism? Shall we bring back burning people on the stake?

There is no doubt about this. Moral absolutes are essentially the same in every world religion. This is not a sectarian issue. It is a theism issue.

And in the real world

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

So sorry there is no correlation between being religious and morality.

As a country and civilization, we reject religion and the moral absolutes it teaches as our foundation with great peril and risk.

Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil. 

The same will happen in America, As Christianity fades we will be fine.

The only alternative to accepting these universal moral absolutes is "every man for himself". "What I think is true for me, and what you think is true for me". Moral relativism. And you know where that quickly leads? Dog eat dog. The bigger, stronger dog dictates to the smaller or less numerous or powerful dogs. That's all.

Give me a break, Just because you personally need to fear being punished to keep you in line that doesn't mean other people do.

7 posted on 05/08/2004 7:36:56 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: little jeremiah
The only alternative to accepting these universal moral absolutes is "every man for himself".

Oh, puh-leaze.... If you think that is the "only alternative", then you clearly haven't even bothered thinking about the issue very much.

17 posted on 05/08/2004 9:24:16 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: little jeremiah
Atheists like to think that at death they cease to exist. That is not true, and because even avowed, dedicated, very faithful atheists still have nagging doubts about the certitude of the cessation of their existence with the death of the body, they try to silence all religious expression around them.

Clearly, what you don't know (or misunderstand) about atheists would fill volumes.

18 posted on 05/08/2004 9:24:53 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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