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To: little jeremiah
Atheism and the secularism that stems from it will be the ruination of western civilization if not checked.

And how exactly do you propose to check the growing Atheism? Shall we bring back burning people on the stake?

There is no doubt about this. Moral absolutes are essentially the same in every world religion. This is not a sectarian issue. It is a theism issue.

And in the real world

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as The pregnancy rate for unmarried women has continuously declined through the 1990s and the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

So sorry there is no correlation between being religious and morality.

As a country and civilization, we reject religion and the moral absolutes it teaches as our foundation with great peril and risk.

Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil. 

The same will happen in America, As Christianity fades we will be fine.

The only alternative to accepting these universal moral absolutes is "every man for himself". "What I think is true for me, and what you think is true for me". Moral relativism. And you know where that quickly leads? Dog eat dog. The bigger, stronger dog dictates to the smaller or less numerous or powerful dogs. That's all.

Give me a break, Just because you personally need to fear being punished to keep you in line that doesn't mean other people do.

7 posted on 05/08/2004 7:36:56 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: OWK
Friend of yours? =)
10 posted on 05/08/2004 8:05:32 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: qam1
I spent a lot of time responding politely and intelligently to your comments, and just to check your links I clicked on to a couple. They are Atheist Handbooks online, as I thought, and one of them screwed up my screen with weird error messages and erased my comments.

So quit posting links that screw up peoples' computers. I'm not going to take the time responding to Atheist Handbook crap, and you can take your proselytizing somewhere else.

(If anyone else checks on the link about crime being lower, watch out. And let me know if it does something weird on your computer too.)
11 posted on 05/08/2004 8:19:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: qam1
You said that there is no correlation between religion and morality. If you're speaking of most religion (including most of what CALLS ITSELF Christianity) you'd be right. But in reference to TRUE religion you'd be incorrect. Consider the words of God in the Bible: "Pure religion and undefiled is this: to visit the fatherless and the widows in their affliction." To say that true religion is not correlated with morality would be untrue.

Make no mistake, the Lord God Almighty has seen the godlessness of the growing atheist sect in our nation and world and has not at all overlooked the worldliness, fakery, man-made doctrines, and immorality of those who falsely call themselves Christians. There will be a time of reckoning in this nation in which true Christians will be tested, purified, and brought through the fire stronger than ever. Those who falsely claim that name along with the godless atheists will never be able to overcome those people but will instead diminish themselves. In the end, the hand of the wicked (no matter what they call themselves) will be turned against them, and all the false pretenses and doctrines will come to nothing and be destroyed.

Some of the people in our prisons claim the name of Christ, but their actions show that they do not really know Him. They violate the command written in the New Testament to "first do no harm." They do not "do unto others" as they would have others do unto them. Atheists, on the other hand, have no set principles TO violate so to speak on that would be pointless. I would be interested to know where you got that statistic that only 0.2% of the prison population are atheists. I've never heard that before.

23 posted on 05/09/2004 6:29:25 AM PDT by MarcoPolo
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