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Californians Say Teach Scientific Evidence Both For and Against Darwinian Evolution, Show New Polls
Discovery Institute ^ | 5/3/04 | Staff: Discovery Institute

Posted on 05/05/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

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To: Right Wing Professor
>>You getting a cut on this, DK? I don't trust people who claimed to be interested in science, but ducked, once the money was off the table. I think there's a 80% chance they're engaged in fraud. And I don't trust you, 'friend'. Deal with it.<<

Hey, everyone that doesn't agree with you is a fraud. 80% came from your survey right? I mean, you would not just make up a convenient number because it sounds good. Fraud can be dealt with. It's easy. You wimped out. And you wanted bragging rights afterward. That superior intellect did not deal with it very well.

Grow, find a way to take that challege. But expose him, if he is a fraud. Ways exist, and if they don't you can figure something out.

I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm not asking you to trust anyone. You backed off of a challenge. Your spin is strictly second rate. Kick his @ss. Or don't mention it as a victory. And have any other victory claims disputed.

I've been very open. As a "friend", it's what is required. You're failure to take a challenge, and claim a victory is bizarre. And you have not dealt with it.

Grow up.

DK

By the way, and you know this is true. I have not a clue who this crazy guy is. Me getting a cut on your failure is silly and certainly outside your belief. Or do you think there is a wide ID conspiracy out to get you?
341 posted on 05/07/2004 11:01:25 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor
One difference between the Bible and all other "Holy" books is accurate prophecy. God is a rewarder of the diligent student. 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy. Many churches ignore prophecy. Many churches ignore almost 1/3 of the Bible. Fortunately Jesus didn't ignore prophecy. Jesus held the Religious leaders of His day accountable for being ignorant of prophecy. Satan hates prophecy because it speaks so clearly of a transcendent God.

Luke 19:44
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Referring to:

Dan 9:25
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

7+62=69 weeks of years
69x7=483 years

Neh 2:1,5 & 6
1 And it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king,...
5 ...that thou wouldest send me unto Judah, unto the city of my fathers’ sepulchres, that I may build it.
6 ...So it pleased the king to send me;

April 32AD, the date of Jesus' triumphal entry!

Here is a perfect passage that illustrates how the word week is used to mean seven years.

Gen 29:27
26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn.
27 Fulfil her week(H7620), and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week:(H7620) and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

The Hebrews are very oriented to using the word "weeks" or "sevens" to describe blocks of time.

1. Week of days or 7 days. (seventh day is the Sabbath)
Lev 23:3
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

2. Week of weeks or 49 days. (Feast of Weeks because they count seven sabbaths or Pentecost is celebrated the day after a week of weeks from the Feast of Passover).
Lev 23:15-16
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

3. Week of months or 7 months. (Tishri is the seventh month or a week of months which is the celebration of the Feast of Trumpets or Rosh Hashanah)
Lev 23:23-24
23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

4. Week of years or 7 years. (The seventh year is a Sabbath year for the land)
Lev 25:5-6
5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.
6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,

Obligatory Charts

H7620

shabuwa` {shaw-boo'-ah} or shabua` {shaw-boo'-ah} also (fem.) sh@bu`ah {sheb-oo-aw'}
Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years):—seven, week.

H7651

sheba` {sheh'-bah} or (masc.) shib`ah {shib-aw'}
From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number:— (+ by) seven ([-fold], -s, [-teen, -teenth], -th, times). Compare H7658.

2 Chron 36:20-21
20 And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:
21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.

Jer 25:11-12
11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Dan 9:2
2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

And regarding Jesus:

Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(H7620), and threescore and two weeks(H7620): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


342 posted on 05/07/2004 11:39:56 PM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Are you willing to gamble that Book of Mormon might be wrong?

 You are making the same bet againse each one. Each claims to be the One True Way.

 

Actually, it doesn't.  It a bunch of OTHER things that members of the LDS organzation claim as 'scripture' that does that, although their Headquarters now distance themselves from many of the founders sayings and doings.


343 posted on 05/08/2004 3:44:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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To: orionblamblam
Just
like
your
statement.
344 posted on 05/08/2004 3:45:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
So many religious casinos (casini?), so little moral capital.

Simple............


Did Jesus exist?

Did He do the things the 'book' claims He did?

Did He say the things the 'book' claims He did?

345 posted on 05/08/2004 3:47:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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To: bondserv
Now ya know, they can claim that since it was told, written, copied (whatever) AFTER the supossed events took place, why NATURALLY all your'prophecies' are true.....
346 posted on 05/08/2004 3:50:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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To: Elsie
What
are
you
blathering
about?
347 posted on 05/08/2004 6:23:45 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: Elsie
Many of the Liberal Biblical scholars come up with "Evolutionary" ideas for the Bible. For example they will claim there were two Isaiah's because there is a style change in later chapters.

Matt 13:14
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.


Referring to:

Isa 6:9
9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’



Mark 7:6-7
6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.


Referring to:

Isa 29:13
13The Lord says:
“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,


So much for textual critics.
348 posted on 05/08/2004 9:25:55 AM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical!)
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To: longshadow
Wilderness placemarker.
349 posted on 05/08/2004 11:54:49 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Festival-of-the-brain-dead-but-still-posting placemarker.
350 posted on 05/09/2004 9:16:01 AM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Patrick Henry Science Fiction thread placemaker.
351 posted on 05/09/2004 9:25:17 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Confederate flag waver. Proud Roman Catholic. And an all around nice guy!)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Depends on what you mean by EVOLUTION ?...

(A)..There are so many different explanations on what it (evolution) is, by the time someone pro evolution gets done telling you what they think it is. You're nodding off. Reminds me of the dazzle them with bullsperm approach to science or some other scams, like various religions..

I know people are sure the virgin mary appeared in some soap scum on a church window. Same thing here. Pronouncing evolution as a fact. The faithful believe on faith as if it were a fact.. The faithful evolutionists have faith in the other faithful. and the faithful others have faith in their "choirs".

What do YOU know for sure ? Kind of paints us all. I know little for sure. But I have faith in some stuff. Could be wrong or it could be right. But its what I have faith today. People with faith in nothing are to be pitied. Faith is evolution is just that, faith. Why not?. I have faith that I will get to point "B" when I get into my car.

For we're all here as spirits for a human experience.
How do I know I am a spirit ?..
Answer: Go to point (A).

352 posted on 05/09/2004 10:43:21 AM PDT by hosepipe
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