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Californians Say Teach Scientific Evidence Both For and Against Darwinian Evolution, Show New Polls
Discovery Institute ^ | 5/3/04 | Staff: Discovery Institute

Posted on 05/05/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

SEATTLE, MAY 3 – Recent California voters overwhelmingly support teaching the scientific evidence both for and against Darwin’s theory of evolution, according to two new surveys conducted by Arnold Steinberg & Associates. The surveys address the issue of how best to teach evolution, which increasingly is under deliberation by state and local school districts in California and around the nation.

The first survey was a random sample of 551 California voters living in a household in which at least one voter voted in the November 2002 general election and the October 2003 special election for governor. When asked: “Which statement is closest to your view about what biology teachers in public schools should teach about Darwin’s theory of evolution,” 73.5 percent replied, “Teach the scientific evidence for and against it,” while only 16.5 percent answered, “Teach only the scientific evidence for it.” (7.9 percent were either “Unsure” or gave another response.)

The second survey was a random sample of 605 California voters living in a household in which the first voter in the household was under 50, and in which at least one voter voted in the November 2002 general election and the October 2003 special election for governor. When asked: “Which statement is closest to your view about what biology teachers in public schools should teach about Darwin’s theory of evolution,” 79.3 percent replied, “Teach the scientific evidence for and against it,” while only 14.7 percent answered, “Teach only the scientific evidence for it.” (6 percent were either “Unsure” or gave another response.)

“Although recent voters in California as a whole overwhelmingly favor teaching both sides of the scientific evidence about evolution, those under 50 are even more supportive of this approach,” said Bruce Chapman, president of Discovery Institute. “These California survey results are similar to those of states like Ohio and Texas, as well as a national survey undertaken in 2001. The preferences of the majority of Californians are also in line with the recommendations of Congress in the report of the No Child Left Behind Act regarding teaching biological evolution and a recent policy letter from the U.S. Department of Education that expressed support for Academic freedom and scientific inquiry on such matters such as these.”

The margin of error for each survey was +/- 4 percent. Both surveys were conducted by Arnold Steinberg & Associates, a California-based polling firm, and released by Discovery Institute, a national public policy organization headquartered in Seattle, Wa. whose Center for Science and Culture has issued a statement from 300 scientists who are skeptical of the central claim of neo-Darwinian evolution.

“The only way the Darwin-only lobby can spin these kind of survey results,” added Chapman, “is to claim that the public is just ignorant. But that view is untenable in light of the more than 300 scientists who have publicly expressed their dissent from Darwinism, to say nothing of the many scientific articles that have been published critiquing the theory.”


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This quote says it all:

“The only way the Darwin-only lobby can spin these kind of survey results,” added Chapman, “is to claim that the public is just ignorant. But that view is untenable in light of the more than 300 scientists who have publicly expressed their dissent from Darwinism, to say nothing of the many scientific articles that have been published critiquing the theory.”

1 posted on 05/05/2004 11:10:34 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
I'm very curious to know what the 300 scientists wrote.
2 posted on 05/05/2004 11:21:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
> I'm very curious to know what the 300 scientists wrote.

Probably something along the lines of, "Our 300 voices outweigh the voices of several hundred thousand other scientists who understand that evolution is an established fact."
3 posted on 05/05/2004 11:25:46 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: dangus
Tell ya what: I'll do some research and get back to you, okay? I'll start at the first name and work down.

Dissent

4 posted on 05/05/2004 11:34:01 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: orionblamblam
Probably something along the lines of, "Our 300 voices outweigh the voices of several hundred thousand other scientists who understand that evolution is an established fact."

Many scientists, no doubt, choose to not express their religious beliefs, or disbelief of Darwinism, due to the backlash they would receive from their peers.

And another thing - a theory can't be a fact. I would venture to guess that nearly 100% of scientists would tell you that.

5 posted on 05/05/2004 11:37:03 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: dangus
Also I suspect you'll find most of the "300 scientists" are from fields not directly related to evolution; you won't find any paleontologists, and very few biologists (at least ones with degrees from places other than tiny diploma factories.)
6 posted on 05/05/2004 11:38:52 AM PDT by John H K
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
It's a trick question. There is no scientific evidence against Darwin's theory of evolution! <\sarcasm>
7 posted on 05/05/2004 11:41:14 AM PDT by Lost Highway (The things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Well, a few more actual biologists than I expected (though many are from small/obscure/non-prestigeous colleges) but the list is still mostly people only tangentally related to evolution.

And there isn't a single paelontolgist on the list, unless I missed a couple (person actually out in the field digging up fossils and examining them) which should tell you something.

8 posted on 05/05/2004 11:43:51 AM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
Starting with the first name on the list, we have Dr. Schaefer.

Since 1987 Dr. "Fritz" Schaefer has been Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and Director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize and was recently named the third-most cited chemist in the world.

Here's a link to a paper he wrote:

Is Evolution a Good Theory?

An excerpt:

Let us consider two theories to which evolution is often favorably compared. The theory of gravity precisely predicted the appearances of Halley's comet in 1910 and 1986. On the latter occasion I was on sabbatical from Berkeley at the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand. The newspaper (informed by classical mechanics and the law of gravity) told me exactly when I had to wake up in the middle of the night to enjoy the wonder of Halley's Comet. And in fact, the theory of gravity never fails for the macrosopic objects to which it is applicable. A second successful theory, the atomic theory,is grounded in Schroedinger's Equation and the Dirac Equation. Atomic theory is able to make many predictions of the spectra of the hydrogen molecule and the helium atom to more significant figures that may be currently measured in the laboratory. We are utterly confident that these predictions will be confirmed by future experiments. By any reasonable standard the theory of gravity and the atomic theory are good theories, well deserving of A grades. In comparison with these quantitative theories of the physical sciences, when it comes to Hawking's second requirement for a good theory, the standard evolutionary model fails, and should be given a D grade at best.

10 posted on 05/05/2004 12:00:52 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
The prevailing wisdom seems to be that letting students examine the pros & cons of evolution as a theory would be unhealthy (undermine their understanding of science). I say the opposite - it would be an excellent subject to enhance their understanding of science and scientific theories.
11 posted on 05/05/2004 12:01:22 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: bondserv; LiteKeeper; Elsie
Pingo
12 posted on 05/05/2004 12:01:50 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
I'm against evolution being taught in schools because I don't think any religion should be taught.
13 posted on 05/05/2004 12:06:37 PM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
AMEN!
14 posted on 05/05/2004 12:14:21 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Lost Highway
And there is no scientific evidence for it either - Evolution is a philosophical position - and it's proof is not subject to the scientific method.
15 posted on 05/05/2004 12:16:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: orionblamblam
"Our 300 voices outweigh the voices of several hundred thousand other scientists who understand that evolution is an established fact."

I thought evolution was a theory, not established fact. Certainly how we got to be on this planet cannot be explained by evolution (unless you believe in the primordial soup explanation, which is nothing but speculation), although it may explain how some of us have a different number of wisdom teeth when we are born.
16 posted on 05/05/2004 12:17:59 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
I think these people are onto something also:

http://www.flat-earth.org
17 posted on 05/05/2004 12:29:11 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: mgstarr
Interestingly enough, it was intellectual scholars who created the flat-Earth myth. The myth gained momentum when Darwin became popular, because the evo's incorrectly attributed it to Creationists in order to discredit them. Go figure.
19 posted on 05/05/2004 12:44:57 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
> Many scientists, no doubt, choose to not express their religious beliefs, or disbelief of Darwinism, due to the backlash they would receive from their peers.

Doubtful. Scientists love to blab and argue... over things that there is actual doubt about.

> a theory can't be a fact.

Uh-huh. Like the "theory or relativity?" I look forward to your after-action reports from when you try to argue with a nuclear bomb that it can't be a fact.
20 posted on 05/05/2004 12:48:21 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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