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1 posted on 05/02/2004 2:11:21 PM PDT by dennisw
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read later WOW
2 posted on 05/02/2004 2:12:43 PM PDT by cyborg
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3 posted on 05/02/2004 2:13:41 PM PDT by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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4 posted on 05/02/2004 2:18:45 PM PDT by EggsAckley (........"I looked out and saw rifles everywhere. That's when I felt safe." .........)
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Man Allah sure is bloodthirsty. Tell me again the difference between him and Satan?
6 posted on 05/02/2004 2:26:18 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry = "You mean I can get a Purple Heart for cutting myself shaving?")
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Thanks. Here's a little more on the Religion of Peace that I like to add to discussions on Islam's bloody history:

Under the guise of religion, Muhammed created one of the largest...and longest lasting empires to ever exist on this planet. Unfortunately, unlike the empires of Rome, Byzantine or even the French and English, Islam refuses to go away. These are people who are still fighting the last Crusade, as they seek to retake land they took from others...and add new land to it. Their recent military conquests in places like the Sudan, Indonesia and the Phillipines have seen Christians and Jews slaughtered to make room for Sharia. What many people refuse to acknowlegde, is that this Jihad has been going on for the last 1400 years, since 622 A.D. In the last 1400 years Moslems have invaded:

-Mecca in 622 (Beginning of the Moslem Hegira   Era) -Autas (Arabia) in 624
-Tayef (Arabia) in 626
-Assyria (portions of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey) in 630

This happened during the lifetime of the prophet Mohammed. Unlike Jesus who spread the Glory of God through the WORD, Mohammed spread HIS word through the SWORD. He himself led these attacks, where all Arabs who refused to submit to Islam were mercilessly killed. All Jews were killed, all Christians were killed. After that most arabs decided that prudence was the better part of valour and became Moslems. After Mohammed died, moslems invaded the following countries under Abu Bakr:

-Palestine/Ertez Israel in 636
-Syria and Jerusalem in 637
-Zoroastrian Persia (Iran) in 637
-Egypt in 638-659

The other Khalifas continued the Jihad by attacking and forcibly converting the pople of the following countries to Islam:

-North Africa in 650
-Spain in 680
-Sindh (India) in 715
-France in 732 (Battle of Tours when we defeated the Moslem and stopped their advance into Western Europe)
-Khotan (Eastern China) in 1050
-Punjab (India) in 1191, (destruction of Buddhism in India by 1192)
-Kosovo in 1369
-Indonesia and Malaysia in 1450
-Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453
-Ottomans annex Serbia in 1456
-Ottomans annex Bosnia/Herzogovina in 1461 -Ottomans annex Albania in 1462
-Vienna in 1689

This marked the end of the first phase of the Jihad, when European navigators took charge of the seas in the 15th century all over the world. This, however, still didn't stop Muslim atrocities from occuring as the Ottoman Empire continued through WWI:

-Asia Minor/Smyrna in 1877-1923. Over 1.5 million Armenian Christians slaughtered; 750,000 Assyrians murdered (3/4 thier population); over 400,000 Greeks killed in WWI.

While the Cold War and Soviet expansion focused attention elsewhere, Islam's aggression still continued:

-Israel in 1948-2003
-Lebanon in 1973
-Cyprus in 1975
-Indonesia/East Timor 1975-2000
-Mindanao (Southern Philippines) 1980
-Bosnia in 1996
-Chechenya in 1997
-Kosovo in 1998-99
-Macedonia in 1998-99
-Southern Sudan 1997
-Ethiopia in 1999
-Kashmir in 1999

Just about everywhere there is conflict in the world, today, you will find Islam at war with its they Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus or whatever...
Whether it's the continuing violence in Chechnya, Sudan, Indonesia, Nigeria, Phillipines or Israel, Islam seeks to depose all existing cultures.

Here is a brief list of the surviving Christian communities of the Middle East, courtesy of

Egypt: The Copts of Egypt -- Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants -- are
estimated to be between 10 and 12 million, dispersed across the country. They are the descendants of the ancient Egyptian people living under the Pharaohs. Their numbers shrank after the Arab-Moslem invasion in 740 A.D. and flourished under the British in the 19th century. One million Copts live in the diaspora, particularly in the United States and Canada.

Sudan: Seven million black Africans live in the south. Most of
thesetribes are Christians-Anglicans, other Protestants, and Catholics. After the Islamic conquest, the Africans of Nubia were displaced to the south. Since the Islamist takeover in the north in 1989, they have been submitted to ethnic cleansing and forced to abandon their faith in order to protect their lives. One million south Sudanese are living in exile.

Lebanon: The Christians --Maronites, Orthodox, Melkites, and others,
including Protestants -- number about 1.5 million. Since 1975, hundreds of thousands have been massacred, displaced, and exiled. Since 1990, the Christian areas of Lebanon have been under Syrian occupation. There are more than 7 million Lebanese Christians in the diaspora. More than 1.5 million Americans are of Lebanese descent.

Iraq: About 1 million Christian Assyrians, Nestorians, Chaldeans, and
others live in Iraq. Most are concentrated in the north. The Assyrians are submitted to cultural and political repression. Approximately 1 million Christian Mesopotamians live in North America, Europe, and Australia.

Syria: One million Christians are Syrian citizens. Deprived of cultural
and educational rights, Syria's Aramaeans, Armenians, Orthodox, and Melkites are present in the northeast and in the major cities.

Iran: Five hundred thousand Persian, Armenian, and Assyrian Christians
from all denominations live in constant fear under the Islamic Republic of Iran. Christian spiritual leaders are executed by the government.  There is slightly greater tolerance for varieties of Christianity that pre-date Islam in Persia.

-What Arab Civilization?

When one speaks about the Golden Age of Islam, it is important to remember that Islam's Golden Age was created by those cultures that were conquered.
When Arabs and Islam began sweeping through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered hundreds of years of civilizations from the Assyrian Christians, Buddhists in India, Persians and Egyptians...all with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is these civilizations that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

The Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.). Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. It was in part, an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

The Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government.

This is the true face of Islam.
Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomenie).

This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments." (credit to Peter Betbasoo)

7 posted on 05/02/2004 2:35:50 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always looking for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: dennisw
have you verified this? there have been Urban Legend versions of the Koran floating around.

8 posted on 05/02/2004 2:37:42 PM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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Brilliant work.
9 posted on 05/02/2004 2:40:45 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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Great work, thank you!

(Now, someone needs to send this to the writers of last Friday's "JAG"...)
15 posted on 05/02/2004 3:14:56 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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In The Sunnah (The recorded words of Mohammod), there's even a whole chapter on Jihad. Follow the link for the whole chapter. Here's some of it:
Sunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 53:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."

Sunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 63:
Narrated Al-Bara:

A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in abundance)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 265:
Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib:

Allah's Apostle sent a group of the Ansar to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night and killed him while he was sleeping.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit".

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271:
Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:
Narrated Al-Mughira:

Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
Narrated Abu Burda:

Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

Islam is to be imposed by force.

* Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196

Apostasy is punishable by death.

* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57

Ethnic cleansing is practiced.

* Mohammed said to the Jews, "You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this land (The Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it." Vol. 4:392

* Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were: "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." Vol. 5:716

Another whole on how to divide the booty of conquest

20 posted on 05/02/2004 3:27:09 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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Deuteronomy 7:1-2: "... the seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."

Joshua 6:21: "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Psalms 137:8-9: "O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us -- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
31 posted on 05/02/2004 8:14:25 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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Exodus 32:26-28: "Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men."

Numbers 25:1-9: "And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods...And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun...And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation...And when Phinehas...saw it, he rose up...and took a javelin in his hand...and thrust both of them through."

1 Kings 18:17-40: "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table...And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken...Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there."

Exodus 20:5-6 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

32 posted on 05/02/2004 8:21:37 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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bumping. bookmarking and saving offline for later.
34 posted on 05/02/2004 9:26:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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Useful resource bump.
43 posted on 05/03/2004 8:11:49 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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44 posted on 05/03/2004 8:19:41 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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Hmmm, Read Later BUMP!
48 posted on 05/03/2004 1:49:40 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is (still ) a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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50 posted on 01/03/2005 6:54:48 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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2005 BUMP!

51 posted on 01/03/2005 4:09:44 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary talking about the bible,is as hypocritical as Bill carrying one out of church for 8 years)
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52 posted on 11/28/2015 8:14:05 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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53 posted on 11/06/2018 9:51:35 AM PST by dennisw
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