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Retreat, Hell! (Analysis of Fallujah situation and tactics)
Belmont Club ^ | May 1, 2004 | Wretchard

Posted on 05/01/2004 10:42:32 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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1 posted on 05/01/2004 10:42:33 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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For an interesting treatise on the concept of hudna (which I had never heard of until this piece) go here.
2 posted on 05/01/2004 10:44:57 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
Belmont Club has really become an asset. I go there daily to get a good, clearsighted analysis. It really helps after reading the hand wringing threads.
3 posted on 05/01/2004 10:47:13 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: John Jorsett
I just posted the link to this EXCELLENT blog on another thread: It's heartening to finally read an intelligent, REASONED analysis of our current actions in Fallujah!!
4 posted on 05/01/2004 10:54:44 AM PDT by DrDeb
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To: John Jorsett; wretchard
It is a treat to read wretchard's sane analysis.
5 posted on 05/01/2004 10:59:09 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: John Jorsett
The child has been handed the switch it selected & will now be taught it's correct application.
6 posted on 05/01/2004 11:02:32 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: DrDeb
I just discovered Belmont Club about a week ago and I was blown away by the analysis; I haven't found anything comparable online. Unfortunately, it's hosted on blogspot.com, and the FR posting filter assumes that anything on blogspot is fluff, apparently, so it wants it on the General Interest forum. I resorted to using tinyurl.com to get it posted to News/Activism, where it belongs.
7 posted on 05/01/2004 11:03:37 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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In honor of the man who made the phrase famous . . . .

"Retreat, Hell! I'm just advancing in the opposite direction!" he told a reporter when asked about his reversal of direction when surrounded by Chinese forces in Korea.

8 posted on 05/01/2004 11:10:04 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (Those who don't know history will repeat it.)
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To: Dog
FYI
9 posted on 05/01/2004 11:17:20 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: John Jorsett
Bump for wretchard. Thanks for posting this.
10 posted on 05/01/2004 11:20:52 AM PDT by michaelt
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To: John Jorsett
Yes, the USMC and the Iraq command is invovled in a complex and difficult situation. The mainstream press is unable to report very well on the situation because they only report through a single prism--BUSH BAD. To make Fallujah fit this concept the situation can only be reported one of two ways:
US losing or US commits war crimes. The situation on the ground is much more complex and we may be succeeding, only time will tell. More depressing than the elite media is the chicken littles on this site who should know better.




























11 posted on 05/01/2004 11:28:44 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't know if you have seen this but it looks interesting.
12 posted on 05/01/2004 11:29:11 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: John Jorsett
Once the Marines get the momentum of processing going, the tribal leaders will lose control and the whole structure will start to crumble. The Marines can exploit their physical domination by offering clemency or even rewards to those who rat out on other perps. The inner bastion of Fallujah will collapse like a termite-eaten post as each man looks out for himself.

I just pray this goes this way and doesn't degenerate into a wink-wink nod-nod by the Iraqi's. These terrorists cowards had the good manners to gather in one place and let the Marines at them in a stand up fight. If they melt away into the population they will be bombing Humvees and killing people by the roadside all over the triangle till we give up and leave.

13 posted on 05/01/2004 11:34:47 AM PDT by Nov3
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Either they've added more that will need to be dealt with into the mix or it's gonna work. It won't take long to figure out which way our guys will need to go.
14 posted on 05/01/2004 12:06:28 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: swarthyguy
FYI
15 posted on 05/01/2004 12:07:26 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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Thanks.

I guess we should call the Falluja Defense force,

The new and improved Bush's Baathist Republican Guard.

Great move to bring the Baathis back.

Not so good to allow the Fallujans to score a victory over the US. Yes, despite all the convoluted rationalisation and justification, it's a victory for the jihadis and will be percieved by the world as such.

Too many nuances.

Sorry, but as TSEliot said April is the cruellest month, and it certainly has been so.

The only silver lining is the return of the Baathis.



16 posted on 05/01/2004 12:23:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks.

Yes, I have been following the "Belmont Club" analysis on Fallujah .
17 posted on 05/01/2004 12:33:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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We can Micro analyse Fallujah..yet the main ident in Iraq is seeing that it does not collapse into a terror proxy ..become Lebanon on the Euphrates.

Even if the U.S. tactically withdrew from Iraq ..standing like Colossus with one foot in the Persian Gulf..the other in the Med...all would be fine,
for the Spice [*oil] would flow..the Corporate synergy of the Orient prospering multitudes.

Keeping Iran in check,and its proxy terror orgs is the key.
In time...from TV/Satillite exposure..to direct business/privitization...Americas Freedom ident would move thru Islam...call it a Good Virus.

We just have to stay in the region..ensure Caspian pipelines flow to the inter*Stan trans system to the new terminals..onto the Orient.

Eventually..Jihadi will try for shipping bottlenecks...Hormuz,Suez..Indonesian waters.
Much of the worlds security will fall to the United States Navy.

2 More refurbished Carrier battle/strike groups now move into place...USS Dwight D Eisenhower is scheduled out from yard availabity which began in 2002.

The Navy has the resource base ..several carriers are good till 2025.

Iraq has been an experiment..yes..some of the idents occuring were seen in U.S. Thinktank..but shunted aside.

So..in the end..tactically remaining in the Persian Gulf is key..ensuring shipping trans and oil/gas pipline trans.

Islam is a rotted house......eventually it collapses.

18 posted on 05/01/2004 12:35:43 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; BOBTHENAILER
Interesting comments.
19 posted on 05/01/2004 12:45:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: PokeyJoe
Now that is a battleground face!
20 posted on 05/01/2004 12:46:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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