B-day (budget day) in Virginia? Cliffhanger ending in offing

Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 04/27/2004 | Jeff Shapiro

[cogitator]

The General Assembly is poised for a possible breakthrough in the 105-day standoff over taxes and spending and votes today on a $979 million revenue plan that freezes the popular car-tax-relief program and raises the sales tax by a half-cent.

[cogitator]

Washington Post article, highlighting criticism from some House Democrats:

Key Va. Panel Votes to Cap Car Tax Relief

"Brian J. Moran of Alexandria, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said that more than a half-dozen Democratic delegates from Northern Virginia believe that freezing the car tax hurts their constituents and that the traditional formula for distributing the new tax revenue favors poor, rural parts of the state.

Several said they represent more than enough votes in the 100-member House to defeat the bill, raising the prospect that legislators from Warner's party might doom his legacy proposal."

[Corin Stormhands]

The Senate passed their bill (with some minor revisions). Then sent it to the House who went into recess (to caucus, etc.). Apparently the vote in the Senate was something like 32-7.

I want to see that list.

[familyofman]

"Then sent it to the House who went into recess (to caucus, etc.)."

What to do, what to do - oh woe is me. Must be a lot of hand-wringing in that caucus - not to mention arm twisting. This should be interesting. I'm a little surprised the Senate didn't press harder with their advantage, given that the House had already caved. Although I had heard they wanted to make sure they still had the "renegade 17" with them. Time will tell.

[Corin Stormhands]

They're supposed to come back at 4:30.

[Corin Stormhands]

Now they're coming back at 5:00 p.m.

It's like Airplane...now arriving at gate 25, 26, 27...

[Corin Stormhands]

They're back in. But the fight ain't over. Delegate Marshall is saying that the car tax cap is not germane to the bill and is unconstitutional...

He is arguing that they should reject that. Not sure if he means the whole bill.

We're not done yet.

[jla]

Thanks, Corin. Much appreciate the updates.

[Corin Stormhands]

Bastidges in the House passed the Senate bill...

Pick yer district and start filin' yer petitions for the primaries.

[P8riot]

Well, my two guys came through. Damn the rest.

[xyz123]

Bastidges in the House passed the Senate bill...

A pox on the House.

[Mudboy Slim]

Well, Old Dominion FReepers, we've got at least 17 RINO Delegates who need to be targeted fer political extinction in November '05. Put it on yer "Things to do" list fer the autumn after next!!

SHEEEEESH...MUD

[Coop]

"This is acceptable in my mind," said Del. Robert Hurt of Pittsylvania County, one of 17 breakaway Republicans. "I hope this will bring the compromise that I believe all Virginians want."

I guess this clueless elitist missed the Nov 02 elections where we Virginians sent the tax increases down to embarassing defeats.

[Gabz]

The Pilot's editorial this morning is a bit late, but they apparently got most of what they wanted.......

Overall, the compromise of tax increases, decreases and adjustments now on the table will get Virginia moving forward again. If the package can survive the rest of the legislative gauntlet, the last 100 days of chaos and uncertainty will be capped with remarkable achievement. Virginians will be able to say, well done.

A welcome thaw in the budget freeze

Oh PULEEEEEEEEZZE

[Thom Pain]

So, you want us to have an all-Demoncrap legislature? That would certainly keep the lid on taxes going forward! Maybe I just don't understand.

IMHO, the time to send a message is in the primaries/caucuses. Trying to send a message in the general election sends Klintoons to the statehouse/White House. Yeah, that worked really well.

[Mudboy Slim]

"IMHO, the time to send a message is in the primaries/caucuses."

My bad, that's what I meant...get rid of the RINOs in the primaries next summer, then expand the GOP majority in both the House and Senate next November.

Good catch, Mr. Pain...MUD

[gieriscm]

Well, Old Dominion FReepers, we've got at least 17 RINO Delegates who need to be targeted fer political extinction in November '05.

You have 16. Delegate May (R-Loudoun) has already announced that he's running for the Lieutenant Governor nomination next year, so his seat Delegate seat will be open.

Put it on yer "Things to do" list fer the autumn after next!!

Hate to tell ya, but autumn after next is way too late. You need to find challengers ASAP if they're going to mount effective campaigns in the primaries next spring.

[Mudboy Slim]

"...autumn after next is way too late."

Yep...the time to start looking is NOW...MUD

[Corin Stormhands]

We need a series FReepin' on this WRVA poll...(scroll down to vote on Governor Warbuck's legacy)

http://www.wrva.com/morningshow.html

[Corin Stormhands]

How the House voted:

Voting yes: Alexander, Norfolk; Amundson, Fairfax; Armstrong, Henry; BaCote, Newport News; Barlow, Isle of Wight; Baskerville, Richmond; Bland, Petersburg; Brink, Arlington; Bryant, Lynchburg; Carrico, Grayson; Councill, Southampton; Dillard, Fairfax; Ebbin, Alexandria; Eisenberg, Arlington; Fralin, Roanoke; Hall, Richmond; Howell, A.T., Norfolk; Hull, Fairfax; Hurt, Pittsylvania; Ingram, Hopewell; Johnson, Washington County; Jones, D.C., Richmond; Jones, S.C., Suffolk; Keister, Pulaski; Lewis, Accomack; Marshall, D.W., Danville; May, Loudoun; Melvin, Portsmouth; Miles, Charles City; Moran, Alexandria; Morgan, Middlesex; Nutter, Montgomery; Oder, Newport News; Orrock, Caroline; Parrish, Manassas; Petersen, Fairfax; Phillips, Dickenson; Plum, Fairfax; Pollard, Lancaster; Rust, Fairfax; Scott, E.T., Madison; Scott, J.M., Fairfax; Shannon, Fairfax; Sickles, Fairfax; Spruill, Chesapeake; Stump, Buchanan; Tata, Virginia Beach; Van Landingham, Alexandria; Van Yahres, Charlottesville; Ward, Hampton; Ware, O., Roanoke; Watts, Fairfax.


Voting no: Abbitt, Appomattox; Albo, Fairfax; Athey, Warren; Bell, Albemarle; Black, Loudoun; Byron, Campbell; Callahan, Fairfax; Cline, Rockbridge; Cole, Spotsylvania; Cosgrove, Chesapeake; Cox, Colonial Heights; Drake, Norfolk; Dudley, Franklin County; Frederick, Prince William; Gear, Hampton; Griffith, Salem; Hargrove, Hanover; Hogan, Halifax; Howell, W.J., Stafford; Hugo, Fairfax; Janis, Henrico; Joannou, Portsmouth; Kilgore, Scott; Landes, Augusta; Lingamfelter, Prince William; Louderback, Page; Marrs, Chesterfield; Marshall, R.G, Prince William; McDonnell, Virginia Beach; McDougle, Hanover; McQuigg, Prince William; Nixon, Chesterfield; O'Bannon, Henrico; Purkey, Virginia Beach; Putney, Bedford; Rapp, York; Reese, Fairfax; Reid, Henrico; Saxman, Staunton; Sherwood, Frederick; Suit, Virginia Beach; Wardrup, Virginia Beach; Ware, R.L., Powhatan; Welch, Virginia Beach; Wright, Lunenburg.

Not voting: Hamilton, Newport News; Shuler, Montgomery; Weatherholtz, Rockingham.

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How the Senate voted:

Voting yes: Blevins, Chesapeake; Chichester, Stafford; Colgan, Prince William; Deeds, Bath; Devolites, Fairfax; Edwards, Roanoke; Hanger, Augusta; Hawkins, Pittsylvania; Houck, Spotsylvania; Howell, Fairfax; Lambert, Richmond; Locke, Hampton; Lucas, Portsmouth; Marsh, Richmond; Miller, Norfolk; Mims, Loudoun; Norment, James City; Potts, Winchester; Puckett, Russell; Puller, Fairfax; Quayle, Chesapeake; Reynolds, Henry; Ruff, Mecklenburg; Saslaw, Fairfax; Stolle, Virginia Beach; Stosch, Henrico; Ticer, Alexandria; Wampler, Bristol; Watkins, Powhatan; Whipple, Arlington; Williams, Newport News.

Voting no: Bolling, Hanover; Cuccinelli, Fairfax; Martin, Chesterfield; Newman, Lynchburg; Obenshain, Harrisonburg; O'Brien, Fairfax; Rerras, Norfolk; Wagner,Virginia Beach.

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Now we know who the criminals are.

[familyofman]

Done. Warner = good guy, still way out in front 82%. Who's his PR guy?