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B-day (budget day) in Virginia? Cliffhanger ending in offing
Richmond Times-Dispatch ^
| 04/27/2004
| Jeff Shapiro
Posted on 04/27/2004 8:01:38 AM PDT by cogitator
Edited on 07/20/2004 11:51:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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The General Assembly is poised for a possible breakthrough in the 105-day standoff over taxes and spending and votes today on a $979 million revenue plan that freezes the popular car-tax-relief program and raises the sales tax by a half-cent.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: assembly; budget; cars; house; senate; taxes; virginia
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Washington Post article, highlighting criticism from some House Democrats:
Key Va. Panel Votes to Cap Car Tax Relief
"Brian J. Moran of Alexandria, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said that more than a half-dozen Democratic delegates from Northern Virginia believe that freezing the car tax hurts their constituents and that the traditional formula for distributing the new tax revenue favors poor, rural parts of the state.
Several said they represent more than enough votes in the 100-member House to defeat the bill, raising the prospect that legislators from Warner's party might doom his legacy proposal."
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posted on
04/27/2004 8:01:41 AM PDT
by
cogitator
To: cogitator; sultan88; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; ...
The Senate passed their bill (with some minor revisions). Then sent it to the House who went into recess (to caucus, etc.). Apparently the vote in the Senate was something like 32-7.
I want to see that list.
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posted on
04/27/2004 12:43:08 PM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: Corin Stormhands
"Then sent it to the House who went into recess (to caucus, etc.)."
What to do, what to do - oh woe is me. Must be a lot of hand-wringing in that caucus - not to mention arm twisting. This should be interesting. I'm a little surprised the Senate didn't press harder with their advantage, given that the House had already caved. Although I had heard they wanted to make sure they still had the "renegade 17" with them. Time will tell.
To: familyofman
They're supposed to come back at 4:30.
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posted on
04/27/2004 1:26:15 PM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: Corin Stormhands
Now they're coming back at 5:00 p.m.
It's like Airplane...now arriving at gate 25, 26, 27...
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posted on
04/27/2004 1:44:35 PM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: sultan88; Mudboy Slim; familyofman; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; society-by-contract; flicker; ...
They're back in. But the fight ain't over. Delegate Marshall is saying that the car tax cap is not germane to the bill and is unconstitutional...
He is arguing that they should reject that. Not sure if he means the whole bill.
We're not done yet.
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posted on
04/27/2004 2:04:37 PM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: Corin Stormhands
Thanks, Corin. Much appreciate the updates.
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posted on
04/27/2004 2:14:42 PM PDT
by
jla
(http://hillarytalks.blogspot.com)
To: sultan88; Mudboy Slim; familyofman; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; society-by-contract; flicker; ...
Bastidges in the House passed the Senate bill...
Pick yer district and start filin' yer petitions for the primaries.
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posted on
04/27/2004 9:15:20 PM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: Corin Stormhands
Well, my two guys came through. Damn the rest.
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posted on
04/28/2004 3:18:20 AM PDT
by
P8riot
(A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body.)
To: Corin Stormhands
Bastidges in the House passed the Senate bill... A pox on the House.
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posted on
04/28/2004 4:45:39 AM PDT
by
xyz123
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: cogitator; kristinn; Angelwood; LiberteeBell; 1 Olgoat; 103198; 11Bush; 1234; a6intruder; ...
Well, Old Dominion FReepers, we've got at least 17 RINO Delegates who need to be targeted fer political extinction in November '05. Put it on yer "Things to do" list fer the autumn after next!!
SHEEEEESH...MUD
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posted on
04/28/2004 4:50:33 AM PDT
by
Mudboy Slim
(RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
To: cogitator; Corin Stormhands; Mudboy Slim; xsmommy; patton
"This is acceptable in my mind," said Del. Robert Hurt of Pittsylvania County, one of 17 breakaway Republicans. "I hope this will bring the compromise that I believe all Virginians want." I guess this clueless elitist missed the Nov 02 elections where we Virginians sent the tax increases down to embarassing defeats.
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:00:56 AM PDT
by
Coop
(Freedom isn't free)
To: Coop; cogitator; Corin Stormhands; Mudboy Slim; xsmommy; patton; familyofman; jla
The Pilot's editorial this morning is a bit late, but they apparently got most of what they wanted.......
Overall, the compromise of tax increases, decreases and adjustments now on the table will get Virginia moving forward again. If the package can survive the rest of the legislative gauntlet, the last 100 days of chaos and uncertainty will be capped with remarkable achievement. Virginians will be able to say, well done.
A welcome thaw in the budget freeze
Oh PULEEEEEEEEZZE
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:08:48 AM PDT
by
Gabz
(Those people with no honor have no idea how to treat honorable people.)
To: Mudboy Slim
So, you want us to have an all-Demoncrap legislature? That would certainly keep the lid on taxes going forward! Maybe I just don't understand.
IMHO, the time to send a message is in the primaries/caucuses. Trying to send a message in the general election sends Klintoons to the statehouse/White House. Yeah, that worked really well.
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:08:59 AM PDT
by
Thom Pain
(Quisling - from Vidkun Quisling (1887-1945), a synonym for "traitor")
To: Thom Pain
"IMHO, the time to send a message is in the primaries/caucuses." My bad, that's what I meant...get rid of the RINOs in the primaries next summer, then expand the GOP majority in both the House and Senate next November.
Good catch, Mr. Pain...MUD
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:17:14 AM PDT
by
Mudboy Slim
(RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
To: Mudboy Slim
Well, Old Dominion FReepers, we've got at least 17 RINO Delegates who need to be targeted fer political extinction in November '05. You have 16. Delegate May (R-Loudoun) has already announced that he's running for the Lieutenant Governor nomination next year, so his seat Delegate seat will be open.
Put it on yer "Things to do" list fer the autumn after next!!
Hate to tell ya, but autumn after next is way too late. You need to find challengers ASAP if they're going to mount effective campaigns in the primaries next spring.
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:52:19 AM PDT
by
gieriscm
(The AW ban sunsets on 09/13/2004)
To: gieriscm
"...autumn after next is way too late." Yep...the time to start looking is NOW...MUD
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posted on
04/28/2004 5:57:33 AM PDT
by
Mudboy Slim
(RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
To: sultan88; Mudboy Slim; familyofman; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; society-by-contract; flicker; ...
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posted on
04/28/2004 6:23:43 AM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: All
How the House voted:
Voting yes: Alexander, Norfolk; Amundson, Fairfax; Armstrong, Henry; BaCote, Newport News; Barlow, Isle of Wight; Baskerville, Richmond; Bland, Petersburg; Brink, Arlington; Bryant, Lynchburg; Carrico, Grayson; Councill, Southampton; Dillard, Fairfax; Ebbin, Alexandria; Eisenberg, Arlington; Fralin, Roanoke; Hall, Richmond; Howell, A.T., Norfolk; Hull, Fairfax; Hurt, Pittsylvania; Ingram, Hopewell; Johnson, Washington County; Jones, D.C., Richmond; Jones, S.C., Suffolk; Keister, Pulaski; Lewis, Accomack; Marshall, D.W., Danville; May, Loudoun; Melvin, Portsmouth; Miles, Charles City; Moran, Alexandria; Morgan, Middlesex; Nutter, Montgomery; Oder, Newport News; Orrock, Caroline; Parrish, Manassas; Petersen, Fairfax; Phillips, Dickenson; Plum, Fairfax; Pollard, Lancaster; Rust, Fairfax; Scott, E.T., Madison; Scott, J.M., Fairfax; Shannon, Fairfax; Sickles, Fairfax; Spruill, Chesapeake; Stump, Buchanan; Tata, Virginia Beach; Van Landingham, Alexandria; Van Yahres, Charlottesville; Ward, Hampton; Ware, O., Roanoke; Watts, Fairfax.
Voting no: Abbitt, Appomattox; Albo, Fairfax; Athey, Warren; Bell, Albemarle; Black, Loudoun; Byron, Campbell; Callahan, Fairfax; Cline, Rockbridge; Cole, Spotsylvania; Cosgrove, Chesapeake; Cox, Colonial Heights; Drake, Norfolk; Dudley, Franklin County; Frederick, Prince William; Gear, Hampton; Griffith, Salem; Hargrove, Hanover; Hogan, Halifax; Howell, W.J., Stafford; Hugo, Fairfax; Janis, Henrico; Joannou, Portsmouth; Kilgore, Scott; Landes, Augusta; Lingamfelter, Prince William; Louderback, Page; Marrs, Chesterfield; Marshall, R.G, Prince William; McDonnell, Virginia Beach; McDougle, Hanover; McQuigg, Prince William; Nixon, Chesterfield; O'Bannon, Henrico; Purkey, Virginia Beach; Putney, Bedford; Rapp, York; Reese, Fairfax; Reid, Henrico; Saxman, Staunton; Sherwood, Frederick; Suit, Virginia Beach; Wardrup, Virginia Beach; Ware, R.L., Powhatan; Welch, Virginia Beach; Wright, Lunenburg.
Not voting: Hamilton, Newport News; Shuler, Montgomery; Weatherholtz, Rockingham.
How the Senate voted:
Voting yes: Blevins, Chesapeake; Chichester, Stafford; Colgan, Prince William; Deeds, Bath; Devolites, Fairfax; Edwards, Roanoke; Hanger, Augusta; Hawkins, Pittsylvania; Houck, Spotsylvania; Howell, Fairfax; Lambert, Richmond; Locke, Hampton; Lucas, Portsmouth; Marsh, Richmond; Miller, Norfolk; Mims, Loudoun; Norment, James City; Potts, Winchester; Puckett, Russell; Puller, Fairfax; Quayle, Chesapeake; Reynolds, Henry; Ruff, Mecklenburg; Saslaw, Fairfax; Stolle, Virginia Beach; Stosch, Henrico; Ticer, Alexandria; Wampler, Bristol; Watkins, Powhatan; Whipple, Arlington; Williams, Newport News.
Voting no: Bolling, Hanover; Cuccinelli, Fairfax; Martin, Chesterfield; Newman, Lynchburg; Obenshain, Harrisonburg; O'Brien, Fairfax; Rerras, Norfolk; Wagner,Virginia Beach.
Now we know who the criminals are.
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posted on
04/28/2004 6:31:46 AM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(I've never been to Spain...and now I'll never go...)
To: Corin Stormhands
Done. Warner = good guy, still way out in front 82%. Who's his PR guy?
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