[Malesherbes]

But I voted for the $ 87 billion before I voted against it.

[Just mythoughts]

"An unofficial study analyzing the casualty figures in Iraq suggests that many U.S. deaths and wounds simply did not need to occur, Newsweek reports in the current issue. According to the study by a defense consultant, that is now circulating through the Army, of a total of 789 Coalition deaths as of April 15 (686 of them Americans), 142 were killed by land mines or improvised explosive devices, while 48 others died in rocket-propelled grenade attacks."


Sound like the "grounds" for another liberal established "investigation" described in "Rockey's" MEMO.... This "vietnam syndrome" seed planting is not growing, need more fertilizer.

[mhking]

Properly armored vehicle:

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

[First_Salute]

Bump.

[nuconvert]

"Alive Today Had They Been in Properly Armored Vehicles"

Well, Duh
And the reason we didn't have a lot of those laying around is what?

[Condor51]

Well duh! The Humvee's weren't designed for that. No shi'ite Sherlock!

And just wait till the boondoggle called the Stryker starts arriving - they WERE (supposedly) designed for that BUT still can't withstand an RPG or roadside bomb blast. And if I recall a .50 cal will go through them like a knife through butter too. (Thanks Gen Shinseki, you affirmative action hire maggot POS)

[First_Salute]

Made in Cincinnati; the "Dingo"; sold to Germany

How's about we buy some?

[Criminal Number 18F]

Heh.

1. First, their numbers are bogus because they assume that everybody killed by an IED or RPG would have lived if he had been in a better armored vehicle. Nope. There have been IED kills of LAV/Stryker, Bradley IFV, and Abrams (and crews).

2. Numerous IED kills have been supply vehicles, i.e. 5-ton trucks, not easily armoured, and not replaceable by fighting vehicles.

3. Typical roadside IED is two or more 155 or 122mm HE artillery rounds. As pointed out, it is sufficient to kill heavy vehicles. If it isn't, the hadjis upgrade to three or four projectiles on their ring main.

4. According to the study by a defense consultant, that is now circulating through the Army, says Newsweek, but they never ID the study or the consultant. If it is the one I have seen it is by a guy with ties to the company (FMC) that makes the obsolete M-113 APC, and is part of a campaign to "improve" things by replacing Strykers with Vietnam-era M113s (in which the soldier is inside a box... unlike a Stryker or Bradley, he can't even shoot back!).

Lies from the press, trying to tear down the military -- and elect their guy in November.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Lessismore]

"Perhaps the most telling example: a year ago, the Pentagon had more than 400 main battle tanks in Iraq; as of recently, a senior Defense official tells Newsweek, there was barely a brigade's worth of operational tanks still there. (A brigade usually has about 70 tanks).

That's about 1 operational tank per 2,270 square miles.

[Mr. Buzzcut]

For eight years the needs of the military were neglected ... another reason ex-Hippies should NEVER be allowed back in the White House.

[tet68]

NEWSWEEK: Study Suggests Four in Four Soldiers Killed in Vietnam Would Be Alive Today if They Had never left the
United States.

Baaaah!

[solo gringo]

How can anyone stand to read the crap that newsweek prints much less believe it another bash Bush piece of junk.

[q_an_a]

historians agree that if Patton had been allowed to follow his plan the germans could not have created the siege called "The Battle of the Bulge"

Communists in American science helped the Russians build the A-Bomb which created the cold war. Because Stalin had the bomb he had no fear of killing 20 million country men. All because of American Communits like the Rosenbergs and Oppenheimer. //woulda coulda shoulda historican hindsight off

[LS]

I think some of this is true, but an Army vet of Korea and Vietnam, who has trained people for these kinds of operations, insists that the major problem is that most of our people who are Reservists or Nat. Guard are NOT properly trained in perceiving ambushes, dangers from roadside attackes, etc. He claims that most of the caravan/convoy casualties come from inadequate training, and that the regulars and Marines only receive casualties in direct combat.

[ChadGore]

The reality is that our enemy will seek out lightly armored vehicles, no matter how few there are.

"jihad_joe" doesn't live very long if he "alaoooooackbaaas" with his pithy little AK against and M1A1.

Below is a picture of the TOW missle that did in Uday and Qusay.
Note: Not a single US life was lost in this battle.

[Agnes Heep]

Honestly, I don't know how we ever prevailed in World War II. The Germans had us completely outclassed in their tanks and armaments, and their soldiers were, by all accounts, better trained. Maybe it's because we weren't afflicted with a pack of demoralized naysayers back home constantly reminding us of just how badly we sucked militarily.

[reed_inthe_wind]

First, the stats in this report don't take into account that the insurgents will switch to a strategy that works. So, if the RPG doesn't do the job, they will move to something else that does work. However, it seems like one of the lessons that we need to incorporate into future plans is that our troops need better protection from RPGs. As far as I am concerned you can handcuff mullahs to the running boards - just do something in the future to address this problem.

[prairiebreeze]

There is no doubt about the timing of this article and the NY Slimes article announcing the 9-11 Circus of the Stars is going to slam the Pentagon and Norad. The left has absoltuely no conscience, no morals and no shame.

Newsweek: Study Finds That 4 In 4 Have Lower Blood Pressure and Improved Mental Health When They Refuse To Read Newsweek.

Prairie

[mountainlyons]

Could have 1 in 4 lives might have been saved in Vietmam and later if nEWSWEEK did not have armor against the truth!

[Feckless]

Our military tactics are not, nor should they be, based on a Maginot Line mentality. We could build Hummers that weigh 70 tons but then they would be M1s. Aggressive manuevering is the answer... move, shoot, communicate.