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Gorelick Agonistes Her refusal to resign taints the 9/11 Commission.
WSJ ^ | 4/24/04 | WSJ editorial

Posted on 04/24/2004 4:34:38 AM PDT by Elkiejg

Jamie Gorelick has now issued her defense for staying on the September 11 Commission, and the usual media and Democratic suspects are rallying behind her. So let's put the issue as simply as possible: If Clinton-era Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick were not already a Commission member, does anybody doubt that she would be called to testify before it?

The Commission is interviewing nearly every major law enforcement and defense figure in two Administrations, and surely a Deputy AG was one of them. More than that, Ms. Gorelick was the author of a memo that has now become central to the debate over what went wrong before 9/11 in the way the U.S. dealt with terror threats.

Yet Ms. Gorelick now claims she can judge everyone else as a Commissioner because her now famous 1995 memo was no big deal and merely codified existing procedures. Even if we grant her this point, which many others dispute, shouldn't she be required to explain it under oath? What gives her an Olympian exemption?

No serious person on either side of the aisle doubts that the "wall" of separation between intelligence agents and criminal investigators that was memorialized in her memo was a problem. Everyone also now agrees that poor intelligence sharing was one of the key reasons U.S. authorities failed to detect the September 11 plot. We can think of several questions for Ms. Gorelick that would prove far more illuminating than anything that emerged from the Condoleezza Rice show. Such as:

• Ms. Gorelick, you write in the Washington Post that you did not invent the wall, which you argue was just "a set of procedures implementing a 1978 statute (the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA)." Yet your 1995 memo to the FBI and World Trade Center bombing prosecutor asked for procedures that "go beyond what is legally required." Is it possible to merely implement the law and at the same time go beyond what it requires?

• Follow-up: Ms. Gorelick, no doubt you know that when the Ashcroft Justice Department finally challenged guidelines of the type you issued, the FISA Appeals Court agreed with your own 1995 assessment that those guidelines had never been necessary. In other words, the court said we didn't need the Patriot Act to permit greater intelligence sharing than your memo had allowed. Then why write a memo that imposed such restrictions?

Far from being unnecessary, Ms. Gorelick's testimony goes to the heart of the U.S. government's 1990s' failure to get its antiterror act together. She is right that before 9/11 the Ashcroft Justice Department endorsed her "wall" policy, but so what? They were wrong too.

What is clear is that for some reason the nature and height of "the wall" underwent a qualitative change in the 1990s, as any investigator or prosecutor who dealt with it now says. Whereas previous interpretations of the FISA statute had limited the ability of prosecutors to produce certain intelligence in court, the new rules effectively prohibited people from communicating at all. There seems to have been destructive tension among Justice, the FBI, and the lower FISA court at the time of the 1995 memo, tension that may in the end explain Ms. Gorelick's behavior. But we won't have a clear picture until she and some of the other major players--including members of the FISA court--testify.

The 9/11 Commissioners are only undermining their own credibility in rallying to Ms. Gorelick's defense. Her conflict of interest can't be solved merely by recusing herself from discreet portions of the probe, since as a Commissioner she will still serve as judge and jury on everyone else in government. She should have recused herself entirely from even questioning John Ashcroft. We also take no comfort in Republican Orrin Hatch's endorsement, since one of Ms. Gorelick's former law partners represented him in the BCCI case and he whisked her through Senate confirmation in 1994. The 9/11 Commission was supposed to be a fair-minded, non-partisan probe that would help our democratic government learn from its mistakes. Ms. Gorelick's failure to resign and testify herself in the face of a clear conflict of interest is reason enough for the American public to distrust its ultimate judgments.

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To: Just mythoughts
We need to give this "The Commission" a name before they come out with their FINAL HOAX!!!!! Something that when said everyone on all sides knows exactly what is being talked about.

Nail Bush/ Save Clinton Legacy Commission

Acronym would be NB/SCL Commission

21 posted on 04/24/2004 5:45:33 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: backhoe
The Warren Report II
22 posted on 04/24/2004 5:45:46 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: Elkiejg
Reverse GorelickBUMP
23 posted on 04/24/2004 5:52:01 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Paloma_55

"We love Gorelick. She taught us and the DNC how to lie without being ashamed.
BTW, now that WE HAVE our own copy of Gorelick's book "Destruction of Evidence"
we will NEVER NEVER be fired again.
"


24 posted on 04/24/2004 5:52:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: Diogenesis
FOX News was reporting yesterday that Gorelick will testify, but she won't step down from the commission.

Did anyone else hear this?
25 posted on 04/24/2004 5:55:43 AM PDT by Spotsy (Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: All
Ms. Gorelick's failure to resign and testify herself in the face of a clear conflict of interest is reason enough for the American public to distrust its ultimate judgments.

In view of her non-partisan support from the Republican mainstream that's reason enough for the American public to distrust mainstream Republicans.

Mainstream Republicans helped get her hired by DOJ and now we citizens have been advised by the mainstream Republicans to stay out of the commission's act.

We are no longer citizens in the view of dem Rats and mainstream Republicans. We are a mere audience to be entertained. Our votes are our applause. I'm taking a bucket of rotten tomatoes with me to the next election.

Guess I'll have to write a fan letter to the mainstream Republicans' agents to get them to include Ms Gorelick's knowledge of the missing John Doe II and the center fuel tank explosion in one of their acts.

26 posted on 04/24/2004 5:57:21 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Spotsy
On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?


THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997

27 posted on 04/24/2004 6:06:02 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: sport
It is my personal belief that hilary keeps his fbi file close at hand and uses it to tweak his balls with when the democrats need an ally.

In closing, on an earlier thread, 15 Senate Republicans demanded that gorelick resing from the "9-11 Commission" and give testimony.Everey Republican in the Senate should have joined the 15.

That is the problem that Fisk has in confronting the democrats and getting the Judicial nominees confirmed. He knows that in a head-to-head battle with the democrats he can only count on these 15 Republicans.


Don't even get me started on the spineless Republicans who are being controlled by their stolen FBI files. Like you, I view them as being on the same level as Kennedy, probably even lower.  At least Kennedy don't try to pretend he is guided in life by moral principles, integrity, and what's best for the country. 

I've suggested more than once that someone should hire a private investigator and find out what Hatch, Lott, et al have in their FBI files that keeps them in line when Hillary snaps her fingers.  Once that is discovered and publicized, then Hillary loses her ammunition.

28 posted on 04/24/2004 6:08:06 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Diogenesis; backhoe
Outstanding links. Thanks for advancing freedom/information.
29 posted on 04/24/2004 6:10:49 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt

30 posted on 04/24/2004 6:15:40 AM PDT by backhoe (Another artifact left over from The Decade of Fraud(s)...)
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To: Diogenesis
THX! bump

What is clear is that for some reason the nature and height of "the wall" underwent a qualitative change in the 1990s, as any investigator or prosecutor who dealt with it now says. Whereas previous interpretations of the FISA statute had limited the ability of prosecutors to produce certain intelligence in court, the new rules effectively prohibited people from communicating at all. There seems to have been destructive tension among Justice, the FBI, and the lower FISA court at the time of the 1995 memo, tension that may in the end explain Ms. Gorelick's behavior. But we won't have a clear picture until she and some of the other major players--including members of the FISA court--testify.

The 9/11 Commissioners are only undermining their own credibility in rallying to Ms. Gorelick's defense. Her conflict of interest can't be solved merely by recusing herself from discreet portions of the probe, since as a Commissioner she will still serve as judge and jury on everyone else in government. She should have recused herself entirely from even questioning John Ashcroft. We also take no comfort in Republican Orrin Hatch's endorsement, since one of Ms. Gorelick's former law partners represented him in the BCCI case and he whisked her through Senate confirmation in 1994.

Gorelick Agonistes
Her refusal to resign taints the 9/11 Commission
Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
Opinion Journal
wsj.com

e would have it backwards and miss the point entirely if we were to attribute The Gorelick Wall and the attendant metastasis of al Qaeda during the clintons' watch, (which, incidentally, was then in its incipient stage and stoppable), to the '60s liberal mindset.

Rampant '60s liberalism was not the underlying rationale for The Gorelick Wall.

Rather, The Gorelick Wall was the underlying rationale for--The Gorelick Wall was (insofar as '60s liberalism was the Wall's apparent impetus) a cynical cover for --the willful, methodical malpractice and malfeasance that was the product of the virulent clinton strain of rampant '60s liberalism.

While it is true that The Gorelick Wall was the convenient device of a cowardly self-serving president, The Wall's aiding and abetting of al Qaeda was largely incidental, (the pervasiveness of the clintons' Nobel-Peace-Prize calculus notwithstanding).

The Wall was engineered primarily to protect a corrupt self-serving president. The metastasis of al Qaeda and 9/11 were simply the cost of doing business, clinton-style.

Further confirmation of the Wall-as-cover-for-clinton-corruption thesis:

  • Gorelick's failure to disclose the fact that she authored the memo that was the efficient cause of 911
  • Gorelick's surreal presence on the 911 commission investigating Gorelick's Justice Department, a maneuver that effectively removes from the universe of witnesses a central witness, Gorelick, even as it uniquely positions a central player, Gorelick, to directly influence the commission's results. (Is there any question which two people are responsible for Gorelick's insertion on the commission?)

Conversely, that it never occurred to anyone on the commission that Gorelick's flagrant conflict of interest renders her presence on the commission beyond farce calls into question the commission's judgment if not integrity -- Washington's mutual protection racket writ large, I suspect.

The Gorelick Wall is consistent with, and an international extension of, two essential acts committed in tandem, Filegate, the simultaneous empowering of the clintons and disemboweling of clinton adversaries, and the clinton Putsch, the firing and replacement of every U.S. attorney extant.

Filegate and the clinton Putsch,
committed in tandem,
the product of a careful criminal calculus,
at once empowered clinton
and disemboweled his opponents.
clinton was now free to betray with abandon
not only our trust,
but the Constitution as well.

The Common Man
Mia T
February, 1998


Allegations of international clinton crimes swirling around the White House in 1995 and beyond support The-Wall-as-cover-for-international-clinton-crimes thesis.

Once the clintons' own U.S. attorneys were in place, once the opposition was disemboweled by the knowledge that their raw FBI files had been in the possession of the clintons, once domestic law enforcement was effectively blinded to foreign data by Gorelick's Wall, the clintons were free to methodically and seditiously and with impunity auction off America's security, sovereignty and economy to the highest foreign bidder.


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Reverse Gorelick
Mia T, 4.15.04

COMPLETE POST


31 posted on 04/24/2004 6:25:41 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Peach
Traitors like Jamie should join those they loved and protect in Gitmo.
32 posted on 04/24/2004 6:26:17 AM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Hatch of BCCI has a conflict of interest and his cover has been lifted. Time for him, Spector and McCain to spend some quality time with their families."

I could not agree with you more. I feel completely sold out by Spector and McCain. Since apologizing seems to be so important these days, then I apologize for voting for McCain. Clearly that vote was wasted.

33 posted on 04/24/2004 6:26:47 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Elkiejg
A number of posters have it right on naming this so-called commission.

Calling these people commissars rather than commission members is accurate. And referring to the commission as a soviet show trial is on target, too.
34 posted on 04/24/2004 6:30:48 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: Spotsy
I didn't hear it from Fox, but I did hear a local radio talk-show announcer report that Fox was saying this about Gorelick testifying.

She figures if she gets in front and dodges the whiffle balls they will throw her then that will be enough to allow her to seem legitimate enough to remain on the circus and finish her primary objective, which is the protect Bill & the Beestie.

Prairie
35 posted on 04/24/2004 6:43:50 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Gorelick, Ben-Veniste, Kerrey, Roemer. All proud, card-carrying members of "America's Fifth Column".)
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To: Diogenesis
"According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director James Woolsey, powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz’ younger sister is married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998, See also Wayne Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times,12 Nov. 2001 ) Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funneled millions of dollars to the Al Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002) Now, "by sheer coincidence", former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi. Thomas Kean is a director (and shareholder) of Amerada Hess Corporation , which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans)... Now you would think that being a business partner of the brother in law and alleged financier of "Enemy No. 1" would also be considered a bona fide "conflict of interest", particularly when your mandate --as part of the 9/11 Commission's work-- is to investigate "Enemy No. 1". "(Michel Chossudovsky, New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had business ties with Osama's Brother in Law , Centre for Research on Globalization, December 2002 )

I'm speechless....
36 posted on 04/24/2004 6:53:46 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: demkicker
The republican majority should give Ms Gore-lick the option of resigning and testifying or face another congressional inquiry that solely ivestigates her role in 911.
37 posted on 04/24/2004 7:18:24 AM PDT by sandmanbr
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To: Diogenesis
"According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director James Woolsey, powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz' younger sister is married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998,

See also Wayne Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times,12 Nov. 2001 )

Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funneled millions of dollars to the Al Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002)

Now, "by sheer coincidence", former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.

Thomas Kean is a director (and shareholder) of Amerada Hess Corporation , which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans)...

Now you would think that being a business partner of the brother in law and alleged financier of "Enemy No. 1" would also be considered a bona fide "conflict of interest", particularly when your mandate --as part of the 9/11 Commission's work-- is to investigate "Enemy No. 1".

"(Michel Chossudovsky, New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had business ties with Osama's Brother in Law , Centre for Research on Globalization, December 2002 )
Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission

--Diogenesis

Kean is either an utter moron or he is also fatally compromised. Either way, he should follow Gorelick on the way out and perhaps also into the witness chair. His presence on the commission raises some interesting questions....

Gorelick grooming Kean (and his ego) during the hearings, solicitously picking off dandruff droppings from his jacket, evoked images at once servile and simian. Not a good thing. Not NOW.


38 posted on 04/24/2004 7:53:06 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Nita Nupress
I've suggested more than once that someone should hire a private investigator and find out what Hatch, Lott, et al have in their FBI files that keeps them in line when Hillary snaps her fingers. Once that is discovered and publicized, then Hillary loses her ammunition.

The same thing happens if they are replaced. It's time for the good people of Utah, Arizona, and Tennessee to step up to the plate.

39 posted on 04/24/2004 7:58:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Elkiejg
Gorelick is incompetent and a liar. She taints an already tainted commission. She must resign.
40 posted on 04/24/2004 8:17:37 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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