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Pat Tillman killed in Afghanistan
MSNBC ^ | 04/23/2004

Posted on 04/23/2004 7:10:38 AM PDT by jtminton

Edited on 04/23/2004 7:24:22 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Kryptonite
Thanks for the link...I wasn't aware of these ugly sentiments by Rice. He really needs to make a public apology for saying those things, but I doubt we'll see it.
461 posted on 04/23/2004 10:59:54 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: Jeff Head
Such a story should be shouted from the rooftops and drown out all of the nay-sayers and those who are opposed to liberty. This is the price that has been paid though the last two hundred years for all of our liberty. I pray we can always remain worthy of such a price...the best blood of our generation.

Up to now, in the local Southern California sports scene, we've been hearing a lot about Mike Williams on the University of Southern California, and what tremendous personal hardship he's had to endure with his recent decision to jump to the NFL after his sophmore season at USC.

And now that it appears he will have to sit out a year with the original ruling reversed on appeal, we hear about what a terrible tragedy it is that his marketability may have dropped from $10 million to down around the paltry sum of $2 million. Mike's really hurting over this, and few among us would be able to endure such a burden.

I'll be happy if I never hear another word about this pathetic little POS again. Ever.

462 posted on 04/23/2004 11:00:29 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: jtminton

RIP Pat. "Rangers Lead the Way!"

463 posted on 04/23/2004 11:03:33 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: bourbon
Would The Pat Tillman Story be the first ever sports/war movie? I'm racking my brain to try and think of others.

I want to say there was one about Ted Williams.

According to interviews with fellow pilots, Williams' incredible eyesight and reflexes carried over into flying - they considered him to be one of the best pilots they ever flew with, he could see enemy fighters before anybody else could.

464 posted on 04/23/2004 11:13:25 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: CDHart
Yes.....as it has been heard soooo many times before.
The liberal media went silent for days after 9/11, not because it was in shock like the rest of us,but because whatever it said,it would've fell on deaf ears.
Our military men and women all feel the same way..they just don't get it (the media).
It wasn't the liberals who wanted justice...or truth...for that matter they are still saying WE need to make amends
WE need to cater to a corrupt organization (UN)and make nice nice with the rest of the world who think WE'RE out of control.
Here in northern New Jersey we had average Muslims dancing in the streets on 9/11...I SAW IT!!...a mere 17 miles or so from ground zero...(clearly within sight)

and we're out of control??? .....well..I guess we are in a sense aren't we?

Doogle
465 posted on 04/23/2004 11:14:57 AM PDT by Doogle (....and the truth will set you free....depends on what you mean by truth)
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To: All
Peggy Noonan's "Privileged to Serve"

"Friday, July 12, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT "Maybe he was thinking Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Maybe it was visceral, not so much thought as felt, and acted upon. We don't know because he won't say, at least not in public. Which is itself unusual. Silence is the refuge of celebrities caught in scandal, not the usual response of those caught red-handed doing good.

All we know is that 25-year-old Pat Tillman, a rising pro football player (224 tackles in 2000 as a defensive back for the Arizona Cardinals, a team record) came back from his honeymoon seven weeks ago and told his coaches he would turn down a three-year, $3.6 million contract and instead join the U.S. Army. For a pay cut of roughly $3.54 million dollars over three years.

On Monday morning, Pat Tillman "came in like everyone else, on a bus from a processing station," according to a public information officer at Fort Benning, Ga., and received the outward signs of the leveling anonymity of the armed forces: a bad haircut, a good uniform and physical testing to see if he is up to the rigors of being a soldier. Soon he begins basic training. And whatever else happened this week--Wall Street news, speeches on the economy--nothing seems bigger, more important and more suggestive of change than what Pat Tillman did.

Those who know him say it's typical Tillman, a surprise decision based on his vision of what would be a good thing to do. When he was in college he sometimes climbed to the top of a stadium light tower to think and meditate. After his great 2000 season he was offered a $9 million, five-year contract with the St. Louis Rams and said thanks but no, he was happy with the Cardinals.

But it was clear to those who knew Mr. Tillman that after September 11 something changed. The attack on America had prompted a rethinking. Len Pasquarelli of ESPN reported last May that the "free-spirited but consummately disciplined" starting strong safety told friends and relatives that, in Mr. Pasquarelli's words, "his conscience would not allow him to tackle opposition fullbacks where there is still a bigger enemy that needs to be stopped in its tracks." Mr. Tillman's agent and friend Frank Bauer: "This is something he feels he has to do. For him, it's a mindset, a duty."

"I'm sorry, but he is not taking inquiries," said the spokeswoman at Fort Benning. She laughed when I pressed to speak to someone who might have seen Mr. Tillman or talked to him. Men entering basic training don't break for interviews, she said. Besides, "he has asked not to have any coverage. We've been respecting his wishes. And kinda hoping he'd change his mind." Mr. Tillman would, of course, be a mighty recruiting device. The Army might have enjoyed inviting television cameras to record his haircut, as they did with Elvis. But Mr. Tillman, the Fort Benning spokesman says, "wants to be anonymous like everyone else." Right now he has 13 weeks of basic training ahead of him, then three weeks of Airborne School, and then, if he makes it, Ranger School, where only about a third of the candidates are accepted. "It's a long row," said the Fort Benning spokesman, who seemed to suggest it would be all right to call again around Christmas. Until then he'll be working hard trying to become what he wants to become.

Which I guess says it all. Except for this. We are making a lot of Tillmans in America, and one wonders if this has been sufficiently noted. The other day friends, a conservative intellectual and his activist wife, sent a picture of their son Gabe, a proud and newly minted Marine. And there is Abe, son of a former high aide to Al Gore, who is a lieutenant junior grade in the Navy, flying SH-60 Seahawk helicopters. A network journalist and his wife, also friends, speak with anguished pride of their son, in harm's way as a full corporal in the Marines. The son of a noted historian has joined up; the son of a conservative columnist has just finished his hitch in the Marines; and the son of a bureau chief of a famous magazine was commissioned a second lieutenant in the Army last month, on the day he graduated from Princeton.

As the Vietnam-era song said, "Something's happening here." And what it is may be exactly clear. Some very talented young men, and women, are joining the armed forces in order to help their country because, apparently, they love it. After what our society and culture have been through and become the past 30 years or so, you wouldn't be sure that we would still be making their kind, but we are. As for their spirit, Abe's mother reports, "Last New Year's, Abe and his roommate [another young officer] were home and the topic came up about how little they are paid [compared with] the kids who graduated from college at the same time they did and went into business.

"Without missing a beat the two of them said, 'Yeah--but we get to get shot at!' and raised their beer bottles. No resentment. No anger. Just pure . . . testosterone-laden bravado."

The Abes and Gabes join a long old line of elders dressed in green, blue, gray, white, gold and black. Pat Tillman joins a similar line, of stars who decided they had work to do, and must leave their careers to do it. They include, among others, the actors Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable and Tyrone Power in World War II; sports stars Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio in the same war; and quarterback Roger Staubach in Vietnam. It is good to see their style return, and be considered noble again. And good to see what appears to be part of, or the beginning of, a change in armed forces volunteering. In the Vietnam era of my youth it was poor and working-class boys whom I saw drafted or eagerly volunteering. Now more and more I see the sons and daughters of the privileged joining up.

That is a bigger and better story than usually makes the front page. Markets rise and fall, politicians come and go, but that we still make Tillmans is headline news."

We lost a good one...MUD

466 posted on 04/23/2004 11:16:23 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: af_vet_rr
There was a made for TV movie about Rocky Bliar who left the Steelers to fight in Viet Nam, where he was severely injured. He miraculously managed to rehab his way back into the NFL.
467 posted on 04/23/2004 11:19:44 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
good pick
468 posted on 04/23/2004 11:20:33 AM PDT by Doogle (....and the truth will set you free....depends on what you mean by truth)
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To: jtminton
He was a major stud. Smart, athletic, gorgeous and a true blue patriot. He will be missed by many.

Condolences to his wife and family.

469 posted on 04/23/2004 11:20:56 AM PDT by Feiny (Happiness is subversive to liberals)
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To: CDHart
There was a former Green Beret on Rush's show just now, talking about the media and their coverage -- he literally gave me goose bumps to hear him. Did anyone else hear him?

Carolyn

I did..and HE certainly gets it.

His point about liberals not understanding the committment of a Tillman or any of the other thousands of troops in our military because the liberal's whole life philosophy is based on a LIE was truly inspirational.

I think it even made Rush pause to consider.

470 posted on 04/23/2004 11:21:04 AM PDT by evad (Such an enemy cannot be deterred, detained, appeased, or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed)
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To: evad
"I think it even made Rush pause to consider."

Yes, I think it may be the only time that Rush has been speechless.

Carolyn

471 posted on 04/23/2004 11:24:55 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: Mudboy Slim
Misty thank you..Peggy Noonan says it well.

AMERICA..HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
472 posted on 04/23/2004 11:26:51 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: AnnaZ
Do you always think of screenplays?
Get writing, girl.

I heard this story just before I left for work.
It made me both sad & proud. To know that someone who had
so much going for him could give it all up to serve his country.....gosh it just makes you feel so grateful.

Looks like heaven has another hero walking through the gates.
473 posted on 04/23/2004 11:27:38 AM PDT by Feiny (Happiness is subversive to liberals)
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To: presidio9
Yup--it's Rocky Bleier, former running back for the Steelers. He's from Appleton WI, and despite me being a devoted Packers fan, he's always been one of my personal heroes.
474 posted on 04/23/2004 11:32:35 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: jtminton
Pat Tillman was the antithesis of what the terrorists and other third-world scum believe about America. Tillman, and millions of others like him, though not as well known, are the reason why the dark forces will never defeat us. God bless this soldier and the family that raised him. I have no doubt St. Peter will snap to and salute smartly when Pat walks through those gates.
475 posted on 04/23/2004 11:42:51 AM PDT by beelzepug (growing more confused by the minute)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7
These experiences definitely keep those of us who remain, sharp on the concepts of courage, honor and faith.
Every man dies.
Not every man truly lives.
And even fewer are permitted to live an exemplary life, and die with honor, as a living testimony to their, and our highest moral virtues.

Lots of difference between this kind of sacrifice, and an islamic mom or dad taking their little kid to be strapped up with a hepatitis infected nailbomb belt to go an blow up a busload of other little kids-- jews of course.

there couldn't be a sharper contrast between good and evil; living and dying with honor, or in the pursuit of wickedness.

Ted Kennedy is a walking statue to the now proven theory:
power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

He is NOT evil because he drinks. He DRINKS because he is evil... and knows it... and loves it.





476 posted on 04/23/2004 11:45:11 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: jtminton
"He's a full-fledged Ranger now," Army spokesperson Carol Darby reported. "He's ready for combat. He will move with his unit for whatever that unit is involved in."

I wonder if she's related to William O. Darby?

477 posted on 04/23/2004 11:45:29 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: cupcakes
I, perhaps, invite a flame for saying so, but I think the way we are fighting these people is all wrong.
478 posted on 04/23/2004 11:45:59 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: presidio9
Tillman made his decision to enlist after returning from his honeymoon with his wife, Marie. Several of his friends have said the Sept. 11, attacks influenced his decision.

“For all the respect and love that all of us have for Pat Tillman and his brother and Marie, for what they did and the sacrifices they made ... believe me, if you have a chance to sit down and talk with them, that respect and that love and admiration increase tenfold,” McGinnis said

480 posted on 04/23/2004 11:49:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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