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Strayhorn: Shut down the topless bars (Texas)
AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF ^ | Thursday, April 22, 2004 | By Ken Herman and Michelle M. Martinez

Posted on 04/22/2004 5:59:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952

Another day, another squabble as Perry-Strayhorn fight continues.

By Ken Herman and Michelle M. Martinez

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Thursday, April 22, 2004

Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn, dabbling in subject matter a tad sexier than the usual daily number crunching, said Wednesday that the state should shut down all topless bars by prohibiting them from selling alcoholic drinks.

The proposal is the latest in what have become daily Strayhorn attacks on Gov. Rick Perry's proposed school finance package. The Perry plan, aimed at drumming up more money for public schools while reducing property taxes, includes a proposed $5 admission surcharge at adult entertainment venues.

What kind of state, Strayhorn said, would depend on that kind of money to pay for schools? What kind of governor, Strayhorn asked, would propose such a thing?

"I don't want my five granddaughters growing up in a state where the governor says partnering with sexually oriented nightclubs is an acceptable way to finance their education," she said.

Strayhorn is considering challenging Perry when he seeks re-election in 2006. Both are Republicans.

Perry defended the proposed fee, noting it aligns with his goal of increasing taxes on "unhealthy" behavior. He also wants a dollar-per-pack hike in cigarette taxes.

"There are a lot of activities that are legal in the state of Texas that some individuals find to be distasteful and not appropriate," he said.

Perry noted that "the question has come up: Why don't you raise the liquor tax?

"The fact of the matter is, drinking a glass of wine is not necessarily an unhealthy activity," he said.

Perry also wants to legalize slot-machine-like devices at the state's pari-mutuel tracks. He declined to categorize gambling as an unhealthy activity.

"The state has said clearly that it is going to accept gambling as a form of entertainment to be legal in the state of Texas," he said, pointing to popular votes that legalized the state lottery and pari-mutuel gambling at horse and dog tracks.

Strayhorn was adamant in her call for legislation barring alcohol at "sexually oriented nightclubs."

"If these clubs can stay in business selling lemonade and iced tea, at least I will feel better about the safety of the dancers," she said. "Alcohol can make the meek violent, the quiet loud and the passive aggressive. People can and do get hurt in these clubs."

Strayhorn, branding Perry's proposal as a "sleaze tax," said the true goal would be to put the clubs out of business.

Perry and Strayhorn have been going at it all week, beginning Monday, when, in numbers vehemently challenged by Perry, she said his plan would produce a $10 billion deficit after five years, provide little meaningful property tax relief and do little to help schools.

Perry on Wednesday criticized Strayhorn's analysis as a "shoddy, fly-by-night" effort based on "eye-popping miscalculations."

"It is an astonishing fact that the top number cruncher in this state could be so wrong on the numbers and the facts about my plan," he said.

Said Strayhorn, "How dare this governor question the integrity of this office?"

But Perry was not alone in questioning Strayhorn's operation.

Rep. Mike Krusee, R-Round Rock and a Perry ally, admonished her staff during a meeting of the House Select Committee on Public School Finance and questioned the comptroller's estimates of how much new money each school district would receive under Perry's plan.

Krusee put Perry's plan on the table Wednesday as a starting point for the committee, which can use any part of Perry's plan -- or none of it -- as it crafts the House's school finance bill.

Strayhorn's numbers, which showed many districts would get no additional money under Perry's plan, differed substantially from a similar report issued by Perry's office.

Krusee said the report inaccurately puts the Lexington school district in his district.

"You said you had a real high degree of confidence in your numbers. You got the school districts wrong," Krusee told James LeBas, the comptroller's chief revenue estimator. "You still have a high degree of confidence in your numbers?"

LeBas stood by his numbers and defended his boss: "I'm sure the comptroller had every intention, and still does, on being helpful to the Legislature."

Strayhorn's office said it plans to release new estimates, and House Appropriations Chairman Talmadge Heflin, R-Houston, said work will be needed to reconcile any differences between the two sets of numbers.

"We don't know right now whether it's apples and oranges, pears and oranges, kumquats and bananas or whatever," Heflin said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: adultentertainment; backstabber; carole; exmayor; keeton; mclellan; oneharpygrandmother; rylander; schoolfinance; selfocrat; strayhorn; tax; youradhere
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To: Redbob
Thats a discriminatory remark against those who have "rolls" and wish to flaunt them.
21 posted on 04/22/2004 6:36:35 AM PDT by crz
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To: Arrowhead1952
Perry was losing me, but I am now very supportive of him. Property taxes in Texas are out of control and he is willing to take a lot of heat to fix the problem. Way To Go Gov! Support Perry.
22 posted on 04/22/2004 6:37:23 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: templar
So you view the nude or partially nude female body as entertainment?

That entirely depends on the body in question. I would classify a lot as "comedy".

23 posted on 04/22/2004 6:41:51 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Vision
Had you as in you were agreeing, or had you as in you understand?
What's so hard to believe about a woman putting herself through college by dancing at a nudie bar or waitressing at a topless club?
The fact that they can be an upstanding, moral citizen?
Sometimes you do what you have to to get someplace better. (As long as it's legal)
That's a fact of life that many people don't want to acknowledge.
24 posted on 04/22/2004 6:41:57 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I'm getting so tired of Carol I could barf. She's a sneaky partisan ambusher and exemplifies low-down underhanded 'rat tactics, even though she's nominally a pubbie. I'd vote for a 'rat before I'd vote for her.
25 posted on 04/22/2004 6:42:08 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Just another Joe
I think we just see life differently. She didn't need to arouse guys to pay for her tuition. It was what she choose.

Personally, I don't think she could make a very good mother. Because she has shown that she does not value herself very high. So, can she raise a daughter to do so?
26 posted on 04/22/2004 6:47:00 AM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: Vision
I'm in Baltimore.

It doesn't matter where you are. The whole situation isn't about topless clubs, it is about property taxes and school finances.

Is she a demonrat or rino?

Neither, really. She is an opportunist demagogue. She and Perry have an ongoing feud, probably because she wants his job. Perry is what passes for a RINO in Texas, although elsewhere he would be considered pretty conservative.

Personally, I would like to seal both of them in a concrete box and drop it into a deep part of the ocean. But Perry is on the right side of this issue, and she is just taking potshots at the expense of Texas property owners for her own political gain.

27 posted on 04/22/2004 6:48:53 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: jimt; Redbob; sinkspur; Vision; headsonpikes; TRY ONE; AlbertWang; #3Fan; mtbopfuyn; FormerLib; ...
This is just an example of the political climate in Texas. To think we still have several months of this garbage left, makes me want to scream like howie dean.

AAAHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA

28 posted on 04/22/2004 6:52:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (A vote for kerry or any other RAT, is a vote for the terrorists.)
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To: jpsb
Perry was losing me, but I am now very supportive of him. Property taxes in Texas are out of control and he is willing to take a lot of heat to fix the problem.

I agree - the taxes are outrageous. I say that every family that has a student in school should pay pay a little something per head above and beyond whatever 'share-the-pain' tax plan we end up getting. Say, pay $20 per month per student.

29 posted on 04/22/2004 6:57:45 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Are you a Republican? ARE YOU? Lord Kerry demands an answer!)
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To: Vision
No they may not be good for the culture but Texas has military bases and there is something unnatural if an Army base don't have pawn shops and strip clubs outside the front gate.

Hell if the soldiers just back from Iraq want to get drunk and look at naked women like soldiers since Ceaser has then I can't say I wouldn't let them.

30 posted on 04/22/2004 6:59:19 AM PDT by Swiss
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To: Puddleglum
PS - I also agree that Strayhorn is a nut. A loud-mouth grandstanding media-grabbing nut.
31 posted on 04/22/2004 7:00:28 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Are you a Republican? ARE YOU? Lord Kerry demands an answer!)
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To: templar
I have not been to a strip club in years, but I certainly enjoy viewing the nude or partially nude bodies of attractive women, especially when they are dancing. So yes, they are entertainment.

Wouldn't have much control over my daughters after they left the house, but, I assume, if I set good enough of a role model for them this would not be an issue. From what I have been able to determine based on conversations with dancers (and a friend's conversation's with dancers - he had a lot more, ummm, "exposure") many (but by no means all) lead self-destructive life styles indicating that there are issues go much further than than their profession. Not my problem, though, and, hopefully, not the problem of any daughter of mine...

Incidentally, there are dancers who DON'T lead self destructive life styles and turn nude or topless dancing into a suprisingly lucrative profession. I suspect that they have little respect for their customers but they hide it well and put on a good show!
32 posted on 04/22/2004 7:01:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: hopespringseternal
I said I'm in Baltimore because you said Don't be a dishonest jerk. That isn't the argument, and you know it and I don't know what you're talking about. I think you believe I know more about this local situation then I do.

It doesn't matter where you are. The whole situation isn't about topless clubs, it is about property taxes and school finances.

Oh...the article said it was about strip clubs

Neither, really. She is an opportunist demagogue.

What party is she from?

Perry is what passes for a RINO in Texas

Damn, cause Perry stood up to the Supreme Court on the sodomy issue. I respect that! Where does he become a RINO?

I'm heading to the store so if you want another reply, it'll take an hour or so.
33 posted on 04/22/2004 7:01:57 AM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: Swiss
I agree. Man I need to move to Texas!
34 posted on 04/22/2004 7:03:16 AM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: Puddleglum
I'll tell you what I think the problem is, extremely bad management of the public school districts. Spending on public schools is outragious. There is one administrative employee of every classroom teacher. 50% of funding goes to admin.

We need to take the burden of funding public schools off the back of the property owner and then we need to fix the schools.

35 posted on 04/22/2004 7:05:50 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Arrowhead1952
Ah, Texas politics is so much fun.
Ms. Keaton Whatever is going to lose anyway because everybody knows she's a demagogue.
Maybe should just "relax and enjoy it."
36 posted on 04/22/2004 7:06:41 AM PDT by red-dawg
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To: Vision
"You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?"

No one said that.

Christians insisting that society conform to their morals are inviting justification for folks like PETA, or ELF, or any other popular, political correctness organization to insist on the same for them, which, of course, would be contrary to FREEDOM.

What is YOUR agenda? A legislated revival?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want any topless bars in my neighborhood, or yours, or anywhere. I don't want the proliferation of pornography that crowds our news stands(and television, and mainstream magazines, etc.)either. However, if we can outlaw porn, or whatever people want to call the sex industry, our Bibles could be next.
37 posted on 04/22/2004 7:15:53 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Are these leftists stupid or evil or both? ><BCC>)
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To: Vision
I think we just see life differently. She didn't need to arouse guys to pay for her tuition. It was what she choose.

You see life through rose colored glasses, IMO.
As I said, I know, personally, a number of women who had to do this. It was their choice but it was, again IMO, their ONLY choice if they wanted to go to college and graduate in a normal time frame.
Their parents couldn't afford to pay for it. They made too much money working a normal job for a student loan. They didn't have the grades for a scholarship. What would you have them do? Try to work a normal job, go, part time, to college nights and graduate in 10 years? Yes, some have done that. Some have missed many years of good pay by doing it.
These women wanted to graduate in a normal 3 to 5 year time frame.

Personally, I don't think she could make a very good mother. Because she has shown that she does not value herself very high. So, can she raise a daughter to do so?

Personally, you shouldn't speak of things you don't know personally. Quite a number of these women have told me that one reason they did this was so their daughters, if they had one, wouldn't have to do it.
Because a women isn't afraid to show her body she doesn't value herself? As I said above, a number of these women are upstanding citizens at this moment, married, holding down good jobs, with children, someone that a young girl would do well to emulate.
They don't dwell on the fact that they succeeded by allowing others to view their nude bodies, neither do they try to hide it.
To them it's a fact of life just like someone that let their parents pay for their college education.

38 posted on 04/22/2004 7:22:27 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Vision
You all believe topless bars are good for a culture. They produce positive rolls for young men and women and their relationships?


Good question..... but not the topic of the concern in the Legislature.... Now if the Legislature initiates legislation to ban them your question merits discussion...

However the question before the Legislature is school funding and how to do it. The Gov. has proposed a fee/tax on patrons frequenting topless bars..... It appears you may not approve. But as long as they aren't going to be banned or legislated out of existence then they seemed to be available as one of many options of raising a few dollars.... jmo and you have yours.
39 posted on 04/22/2004 7:33:55 AM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: Just another Joe
It was their choice but it was, again IMO, their ONLY choice if they wanted to go to college and graduate in a normal time frame.

Let's see, I can be a slut and graduate in five years, or retain my virtue and take six.

Their parents couldn't afford to pay for it. They made too much money working a normal job for a student loan.

If she made so much money in a "normal" job, she didn't have to strip. I worked 40 hours a week in college. I still qualified for student loans. Actually, nearly anyone can qualify for student loans. The question is whether you can qualify for subsidized student loans.

They didn't have the grades for a scholarship. What would you have them do? Try to work a normal job, go, part time, to college nights and graduate in 10 years? Yes, some have done that.

Money or morals, money or morals, money or morals, who can choose?

Some have missed many years of good pay by doing it. These women wanted to graduate in a normal 3 to 5 year time frame.

It took me eight years to graduate. Would I like to have been out earlier? Sure, but not at the expense of my dignity or morality. When someone is willing to sell those things it boils down to one thing: She is a prostitute. And as long as she can look back on doing it without regret she is still a prostitute.

40 posted on 04/22/2004 7:36:52 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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