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No surprise here.
1 posted on 04/21/2004 3:02:47 PM PDT by BurkesLaw
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To: BurkesLaw
The American education system is about producing more sheeple & that goal has nothing to do with educating our kids.
2 posted on 04/21/2004 3:13:57 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: BurkesLaw
Home schooling is the only answer, if allowed. The churches could help. But right now, their having a crisis already, over what moral. The gay marriage debate.
3 posted on 04/21/2004 3:18:22 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: BurkesLaw
"Johnny can't read."
4 posted on 04/21/2004 3:18:28 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BurkesLaw
My sons math teacher in 7th grade,gave him A+ on all his homework .While looking at his A+ work and feeling proud,I found that every problem was incorrect.When the teacher was confronted , she said IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE PROBLEMS ARE WRONG,ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE WORK WAS DONE... Teachers Union Logic
6 posted on 04/21/2004 3:30:40 PM PDT by jd792
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To: BurkesLaw
When my oldest son was in high school, he had a social studies teacher for 10th grade that practially reveled in the number of students that failed his class. When he told me that my son was failing, and the only way he could see my son passing his class was to ace the final exam. I was so pi$$ed off, my son and I spent the next 5 nights reviewing a whole semester's work, answering all the questions in the book at the ends of the chapters. The final consisted of 200 questions; my son missed 2, and passed the class for the year.

This teacher could care less if students learned anything or not, just if the teacher could fail them!
9 posted on 04/21/2004 3:34:25 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: BurkesLaw
Well we are still the #1 Capitalist nation on the planet, and that isn't going to change any time soon. What was the last invention out of Europe, or any other place for that matter. USA still rocks, we just have to use a heavy hand against "The Enemy Within."
16 posted on 04/21/2004 3:41:39 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: BurkesLaw
I homeschooled through 9th grade, then sent my 15 year old to the local college. We have a great program called dual enrollment, and if they can pass the College Entrance, they can take classes for free that count as college and high school credit.

That being said, and on a completely different topic, I think the effect of the "self-esteem" overemphasis in our public education can be seen in TV shows like American Idol.

You have people who absolutely can't sing, and when they're told they can't sing, they refuse to believe it, choosing rather to insult the judges and refute their judgment.

I've pondered this for a couple seasons, and decided it must be the public schools instilling the "feel good about myself" attitude into kids on such a grand scale, that they don't even realize that they aren't talented.
17 posted on 04/21/2004 3:47:21 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: BurkesLaw
Americans need to take their local schools to task and parents need to take their childrens education more seriously.Home schooling is good if the parent is up to the task. Not all are. Money will not fix this.
18 posted on 04/21/2004 3:47:46 PM PDT by dalebert
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According to the most recent academic comparison study by the Program for International Student Assessment, of students in 32 developed countries, 14 countries score higher than the U.S. in reading, 13 have better results in science, and 17 score above America in mathematics.

How to lie with statistics. If they're talking about the international exams given at the high school level, the US schools involved make *everyone* take those tests. In other countries (especially the high scoring ones), students are tracked from 6th grade or so on, so that low-performing students are in entirely different tracks that don't take those tests. If you gave the tests to only kids in AP/Honors high school classes, we'd do as well or better than most countries.

19 posted on 04/21/2004 4:03:00 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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Wrong tense. Not "failing". Already "failed"!
20 posted on 04/21/2004 4:03:15 PM PDT by Middle Man ("Stop quoting the law; we have swords."~ Roman General Sulla)
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Lizavetta's 29th Truth of Life...

You will never meet a parent whose children's school is one of the 'bad' ones.

31 posted on 04/21/2004 5:04:29 PM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE 'LEARNING'




Sign Reads: "Gay Straight Alliance"

34 posted on 04/21/2004 5:09:25 PM PDT by Jaysun
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To: BurkesLaw
Less Marx, More Math.
41 posted on 04/21/2004 6:58:18 PM PDT by Imal (Those who protest only one side of a war are simply supporting the other side.)
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To: BurkesLaw
No surprise at all. And those students who can't read will, in 10 years or less, become teachers.

An interesting feedback loop, isn't it?

47 posted on 04/21/2004 8:26:06 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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more than 40 percent of recent Washington State high school graduates attending community college enrolled in remedial courses to prepare them for college-level work.

That's nothing. Anyhow a community college is meant for remdiation --- the "university" here --- yes a 4 year university --- UTEP has 65% of it's students in remedial classes --- and I would bet money most of those are going at taxpayer expense --- not paying their own way.

50 posted on 04/21/2004 9:05:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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I think the names "BillY" and "Johnny" are way over used. IN the interest inclusion and multiculturalism I suggest that for now on we use the names "Shamika" and "Jamal" for these type things.
70 posted on 04/22/2004 5:54:26 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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"All men by nature desire to know," said Aristotle. Either Aristotle was wrong, or public education is failing to awaken the academic desires of American students.

Aristotle was right. And government schools are a success, because schools were never intended to "awaken the academic desires of American students."

71 posted on 04/22/2004 5:54:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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i am currently reading "Recovering the Lost Tools of Learning" by Douglas Wilson who founded LOGOS School--a school where students receive a Christian-based, classical education... i was reading a chapter last night that covered this very idea that too many schools are using too many videos in the classroom... using too many videos, even if they are educational/learning videos, is not ideal...

as homeschoolers, my husband and i are providing our boys with classical educations--and as the primary teacher, i am learning so much of what i missed during my years being educated by the government... the public school experiment has failed miserably... no child deserves to be a part of that mess...
96 posted on 04/22/2004 9:49:00 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: BurkesLaw
none here either
112 posted on 04/22/2004 11:08:35 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org)
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