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Eagleburger's Wise Words (Time to take Kid Gloves off)
NewsMax.com ^ | 4/21/04 | Ed Koch

Posted on 04/21/2004 11:24:54 AM PDT by M 91 u2 K

Eagleburger's Wise Words Edward I. Koch Tuesday, April 20, 2004

On Sunday, April 4, while watching the Fox News Channel, I saw former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger interviewed on the rising insurrection in Iraq. The interview followed a whole day of televised gloom, doom, pessimism and Bush-bashing by the talking heads of medialand. I listened in amazement and agreement to the opinions of Eagleburger, who was secretary of state from 1992 to 1993 under President George H.W. Bush.

The next day, I expected Eagleburger's views to be covered by the media. There was not one reference to his comments.

I recalled the April 2 New York Times editorial entitled "Four Deaths in Falluja," which advised: "At the same time, letting those emotions shape the future of American occupation policy in Iraq – pushing it either toward vengeful reprisals or toward a panicky, casualty-driven withdrawal – would be a terrible mistake. America's future course in Iraq must be decided on broader considerations, especially the prospects for successful nation-building."

On April 8, however, The Times ran an editorial criticizing President Bush for actions taken by coalition forces against the cleric Moktada al-Sadr, writing:

"The administration itself triggered the current uprising by factions of Iraq's Shiite majority, perhaps because the United States decided that it had to take on the radical cleric Moktada al-Sadr in order to remove one of the most dangerous armed groups well before the scheduled transfer of power on June 30. That would explain the otherwise baffling decisions to shut down a newspaper loyal to Mr. Sadr, arrest his deputy and then announce that the occupation forces would arrest Mr. Sadr on a secret warrant that's been in effect for nearly a year. In the process, however, Mr. Bush is in serious danger of overplaying his hand and creating a broader Shiite rebellion. ... Now the military is trying to take the city. It is understandable to want to avenge the hideous murders of four American security guards last week, but hard to imagine how that can happen. It is impossible to pinpoint who killed them, and punishing the mobs that then mutilated their bodies would mean mass arrests."

The Times editorial did not mention that Sadr's newspaper was shut down because it had urged the killing of Americans. Does The Times believe that freedom of the press trumps the power of the U.S. military to close down newspapers that urge their readers to kill Americans? Does The Times believe that Sadr, accused by an Iraqi court of killing a rival cleric, is immune to arrest?

Now let's contrast The Times' waffling, ill-advised observations with those of former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger on Fox News Live:

REPORTER: It's a bad day for the U.S. military ...

EAGLEBURGER: Very bad day, it's a mess, but I must tell you I think we're going to see more of this as we get closer to that June turnover date ... not less of it. Unless we get very tough, I think it's going to be a real difficult time when that June date comes around.

REPORTER: No, I agree, so what do you mean by getting tough? What do you think we need to do?

EAGLEBURGER: Well, I will now make myself terribly unpopular, but there's going to have to be some killing. I don't know any other way to put this. You cannot go into a place like we just saw there in Baghdad and just let this continue. Now I know there are women and children and so forth, but the fact of the matter is these people are out in the streets, there's only one way to deal with them and that is you have to get them off of the streets and if you have to shoot at them to do that, we're going to have to do some of that.

REPORTER: You're talking about heavy firepower ... you're talking about strategic strikes ... or more of an overall?

EAGLEBURGER: Well, what I'm really talking about is\ you've got to get enough troops in there, and I'm not the military genius here, but it does seem to me that with sufficient force, these people could be put down. And every time they raise their heads it's got to happen again. I'm sorry but I do not believe that we can go on like this, threatening that we're going to retaliate and not retaliate, and when we retaliate, it had better be forceful.

REPORTER: When you say "better be forceful," are you talking airpower, are you talking ground, a combination? ...

EAGLEBURGER: Well, clear and cohesive message [that] it won't be tolerated, and if that means level it – I don't think you're going to have to level it, but if what I'm saying here is going to upset people I might as well say it: Unless we are prepared to take whatever actions are necessary militarily to put these people down so we can go on with a steady transition to an Iraqi government, the transition will not take place, because there won't be anything to transit to. ... [End of excerpt]

Shouldn't The New York Times, the journal of record, have referred to that interview with Eagleburger? Former Sen. Bob Kerrey, a tough questioner of Condoleezza Rice on the 9/11 Commission, in an op-ed article in The Times on April 11 summed up what the U.S. is facing, writing:

"The real enemy is a small group of radical Islamists who have chosen to wage a war on all infidels – military and civilian alike." Infidels translates as anyone who is not Muslim. This enemy has no hesitation in calling it a war between Islam and 'the Crusaders (Christians) and the Jews.' We do not attack their religion and culture. We do not seek to convert them to our religion or have them accept our religion as superior. They do."

Contrast Eagleburger's decisive statements with the scurrilous comments of Sen. Ted Kennedy, who has charged President Bush with creating “the largest credibility gap since Richard Nixon.” This kind of attack is unacceptable. We are at war with al-Qaida and its supporters, who want to kill us by any means possible. We need unity now more than ever.

We were able to defeat Hitler and his cohorts because we recognized the terrible danger they posed and united against them. Now we must unite against the Islamic radicals who threaten our nation and our future as a democracy. They tested our resolve on 9/11. They are testing us again in Iraq.

We will pass this test if we listen to Lawrence Eagleburger's wise counsel and reject Ted Kennedy's reckless attempt to score political points at the expense of our war against al-Qaida and its allies.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; eagleburger; edkoch; election; iraq; neoliberals; terrorism; troops; war
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1 posted on 04/21/2004 11:24:55 AM PDT by M 91 u2 K
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To: M 91 u2 K
I heard this interview w/Eagleburger. He was nervous about saying what he said, but he had the guts to say it.
2 posted on 04/21/2004 11:46:52 AM PDT by Endeavor (Don't count your Hatch before it chickens)
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To: M 91 u2 K
No disagreement with Eagleburger.

>We were able to defeat Hitler and his cohorts because
>we recognized the terrible danger they posed and
>united against them.

Don't forget the powerful 'American First' movement, headlined by the most popular man in America during the 1930s, Charles Lindbergh. Lindbergh was giving 'non-intervention' speeches until war was declared. Unity didn't emerge until after Pearl Harbor.
3 posted on 04/21/2004 11:50:04 AM PDT by nonomous
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To: M 91 u2 K
Obsessing about "winning hearts and minds" will be our grave -- it can never be done, and will only serve to embolden our enemies.
4 posted on 04/21/2004 11:54:42 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Endeavor
And I love Ed Koch!
5 posted on 04/21/2004 11:56:03 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Mr. Mojo
I am all for separating their heads from their bodies. This is not time to coddle the enemy.
6 posted on 04/21/2004 11:56:27 AM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: M 91 u2 K
Well, I will now make myself terribly unpopular, but there's going to have to be some killing. I don't know any other way to put this.

It's the only way to put it, Eagle.

7 posted on 04/21/2004 11:56:44 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: AngieGOP
This is not time to coddle the enemy.

We coddle, we lose.

8 posted on 04/21/2004 11:59:50 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Time to take off the velvet gloves and pound them witht he iron fists. The only thing these people understand is violence.
9 posted on 04/21/2004 12:02:00 PM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: M 91 u2 K
I have said on this board before that I don't think we will win this war the way we are fighting it. We have not won a war (and a peace) since WWII. In every war since then we have been too afraid of what our enemy thinks of us to destroy them.

We won WWII because the country were totally defeated. The United States felt that our national survival was at stake, so we were willing to do what ever it took to win. Even if that meant bombing cities and killing thousands of civilians. We must completely defeat the Iraqi people's will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight. The only I can see for us to do that is to be willing to level a city if necessary. We are not willing to do that so I believe we can't win the peace.
10 posted on 04/21/2004 12:09:02 PM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: AngieGOP
The only thing these people understand is violence.

There is a great deal of truth to this. The thing politicians must understand is that you don't just talk to these people. You communicate with them. And that means talking to them in a language they understand.

11 posted on 04/21/2004 12:13:53 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: FightThePower!
Correction: We must completely defeat the *Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's* will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight.
12 posted on 04/21/2004 12:14:54 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
I wonder if they understand the language of Daisy Cutter or Moab?
13 posted on 04/21/2004 12:15:38 PM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: WOSG
"Correction: We must completely defeat the *Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's* will to fight in the same way that we defeated the German people's will to fight."

The problem with that is we can't tell the difference between a normal Iraqi person and a Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's. In WWII we couldn't tell the difference between a Nazi and a German house wife, so we just killed them all--and we won.

14 posted on 04/21/2004 12:18:04 PM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: M 91 u2 K
BUMP!
15 posted on 04/21/2004 12:19:38 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: Endeavor
Eagleburger was right on. I suspect he was nervous because he knows the "creative editing" power the press wields to make anyone who doesn't play ball with them out to be a nazi.
16 posted on 04/21/2004 12:22:10 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: AngieGOP
I wonder if they understand the language of Daisy Cutter or Moab?

In the back of my bible is a map which locates the old land of Moab just east of the Dead Sea. Maybe the modern state of MOAB will be located in Iraq...

17 posted on 04/21/2004 12:29:48 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AngieGOP
Maybe they understand music. It is supposed to be a universal language. How about adapting an old Fleetwood's song...

"I'M MR. BLU-82...."

18 posted on 04/21/2004 12:33:05 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: FightThePower!
"The problem with that is we can't tell the difference between a normal Iraqi person and a Jihadist/Baathist/Terrorist's. "

Yes, we can. Marines are doing it right now.

19 posted on 04/21/2004 12:37:52 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
The initial justification for going into Iraq was protecting ourselves from WMD's. Then regime change became the vogue. After regime change, freedom and democracy became the latest craze. Now that we are being attacked, kill them all has to be the next step. What will follow kill them all? Does it occur to anyone that whereas we weren't being threatened with WMD's, a lot of expense and suffering could have been avoided if we had behaved ouselves and kept our troops in Afghanistan to mop up the Al Qaeda there and finished that job? Saddaam became the target of regime change because of his torture and killing of opponents of his regime.

This objective of regime change was realized and his capture was successful to end his era. Now that we have escalated the objective to freedom and democracy with resistance to our continued presence, we are supposed to kill them all. The objectives have run full circle with substituting Saddaam's methods as our own. This is getting ridiculous, either we get some sanity in our policies or we leave. Kill them all is not an option that many people could have on their conscience.

20 posted on 04/21/2004 12:59:15 PM PDT by meenie
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