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US 'Soldiers Of Conscience' Take Sixties Route To Canada
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-19-2004 | Marcus Warren

Posted on 04/18/2004 6:20:12 PM PDT by blam

US 'soldiers of conscience' take Sixties route to Canada

By Marcus Warren in New York
(Filed: 19/04/2004)

Two American soldiers opposed to the war in Iraq have abandoned their units and fled to Canada in a desertion evoking the exodus of young men north of the border during the Vietnam era.

The two soldiers are seeking asylum as refugees, arguing that they face persecution for their beliefs - and in theory the death penalty - if they return.

Their decision to run may not yet herald a mass migration but no one expects the pair to be the last to abandon their units and slip across the frontier, even at the cost of becoming deserters.

"Just because you sign a contract, that doesn't mean you abdicate the right to be a moral human being," said Jeremy Hinzman, 25, a private at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, and the first of the two to reach Canada. "If you know that an order is unjust, it's your duty to disobey it."

Speaking from his new home in Toronto, he shied away from urging other servicemen to copy his example, afraid, he said, of being "seditious". But he had this message for other soldiers with moral qualms about the war in Iraq.

"They need to do what they think is right," he said. "If that means going to Canada, follow your conscience."

Already he has been joined by a second fugitive, Brandon Hughey, 18, a private who abandoned his unit the night before its deployment from Fort Hood, Texas, to the Middle East and is now living with a Quaker couple in the Ontario city of St Catharines.

"This is a war based solely on lies," Pte Hughey said. "If other soldiers feel that they cannot take part, they should talk to their superiors about it. But Canada is an option."

They both call the war in Iraq a violation of international law, a crime that overrides their duty to the army they signed up for.

Pte Hinzman had no qualms about serving in Afghanistan although he did ask his officers for a non-combat role.

They now face a difficult battle in the courts to become the first Americans to be given refugee status in Canada, although the country's ban on deporting anyone at risk of suffering the death penalty may count in their favour.

The war in Iraq has re-established Canada as a place of sanctuary for young Americans opposed to fighting in a conflict that they believe is wrong.

The generation that provided most of the manpower for the United States military in the 1960s and '70s also saw tens of thousands of young men going across the border, the majority to avoid being called up into the armed forces.

One of 60,000 Americans who fled to dodge the draft and service in Vietnam, Jeffry House, recalls turning up at the border in 1970 and simply announcing that he wanted to live in Canada. The Canadian guards asked whether he had a "military problem" and then ushered him to one side to start a new life.

Now a Canadian citizen and a lawyer, he is overseeing Pte Hinzman's and Pte Hughey's attempts to become refugees.

"They remind me of how I felt," he said. "The idea that the Pentagon would drop me into some village and I would end up killing people was horrible."

Pte Hinzman said the "crystallising moment" for his decision to abandon the army was hearing a radio report while in Afghanistan about the sharing out of oil revenue in post-war Iraq.

The two men may be a lonely vanguard of young people prepared to leave their comrades-in-arms, families and homeland for uncertainty in a foreign country.

But with more US soldiers dying so far this month than at any time since the toppling of Saddam Hussein and military morale suffering as tours of duty are extended, reinforcements are likely to be soon on the way.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; conscience; cowards; deserters; flight; sixties; soldiers; traitor; us; wwwbrandonhugheyorg
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1 posted on 04/18/2004 6:20:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
You're against war. So, what is the first thing you do? Go and join an all-volunteer military.

Good riddance to worthless rubbish!

2 posted on 04/18/2004 6:23:33 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: blam
Ah it is a volunteer Army morons. You can quit any time. I suspect this is a staged propaganda action by some "anti-war" group. They got their hooks into these morons like they did that Marine recruit last year.
3 posted on 04/18/2004 6:23:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We have the solutions, Kerry Democrats? Nothing but slogans)
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To: blam
It won't work this time; the last one that went up there got shipped back down here.
4 posted on 04/18/2004 6:25:30 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: blam
2.. count 'em... 2 wimps run to Canada (from an army they volunteered for) and the comparison is made to Vietnam.

Sheesh. Is there anything that doesn't remind some people of Vietnam?

Our troops are shooting with guns in Iraq... GUNS!.... JUST LIKE IN VIETNAM!! Wow, what a coincidence!

5 posted on 04/18/2004 6:26:00 PM PDT by saquin
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To: blam
Sign a contract do your time (Though I guess that contract can be extended time and again for foreign mess up wars that have nothing to do with the defense of this country whatsover?)

6 posted on 04/18/2004 6:27:45 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: Paul Atreides
Poor dumb bastards! Perfect examples of our excellent public education system........
7 posted on 04/18/2004 6:29:21 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: blam
If they don't want to serve in Iraq send them to Afghanistan! Or Liberia. Or Kosovo. or Ruanda.
8 posted on 04/18/2004 6:32:16 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: blam
Geez, I'd rather do some time in Iraq than spend the rest of my life in Canada!
9 posted on 04/18/2004 6:34:07 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: dirtbiker
I'll bet they're even registered Democraps.
10 posted on 04/18/2004 6:34:38 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: blam
Deserters.
Nothing more, nothing less.
You will never hear the follow-up to this story in the press,
but these men WILL be brought back to the U.S.,
and they face the consequences for their actions.
11 posted on 04/18/2004 6:35:38 PM PDT by DefCon
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cowards, chicken hearted, POS, COWARDS
12 posted on 04/18/2004 6:36:22 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (We tried nice, now it is time for down and dirty.)
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To: blam
There are some guys who want to play soldier and there are those are really are soldiers.
13 posted on 04/18/2004 6:36:45 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: blam; Paul Atreides; MNJohnnie; Howlin; saquin; Burkeman1; dirtbiker
There is a far-cry difference between evading a draft, and deserting the military, for which you willingly volunteered, during time of war.

These men should be court-martialed and executed.
14 posted on 04/18/2004 6:36:52 PM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: MNJohnnie
You can quit any time

Not really. Once you sign on, you're expected to continue for some minimum amount of time, which can be extended if the military needs it (and this is understood at the time soldiers agree to join up).

15 posted on 04/18/2004 6:37:54 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: blam
Soldier of Conscience = COWARD
16 posted on 04/18/2004 6:39:51 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Burkeman1
Sign a contract do your time (Though I guess that contract can be extended time and again for foreign mess up wars that have nothing to do with the defense of this country whatsover?)


Nice you have opinons Deluded United, too bad they are wrong. Iraq is vital to the war on terror as anyone who pays attention and THINKS knows.
17 posted on 04/18/2004 6:40:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We have the solutions, Kerry Democrats? Nothing but slogans)
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To: blam
See

http://www.unknownnews.net/040414northbound.html

"He was lured by the promise of a college education, a career and a chunk of cash that never materialized."

The horror of it all / sarcasm off
18 posted on 04/18/2004 6:40:41 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: blam
"Just because you sign a contract, that doesn't mean you abdicate the right to be a moral human being," said Jeremy Hinzman, 25, a private at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, and the first of the two to reach Canada. "If you know that an order is unjust, it's your duty to disobey it."

That this idiot doesn't like his orders doesn't make those orders unjust. I get disgusted by those who join the military, either active duty or reserves, and then cry about having to actually do the jobs for which they volunteered. These wimps want the rough and tough image of being a soldier, but they don't want to have to face the risks a soldier must face.

When my husband got orders to go to Iraq, he didn't complain about it. Not only because he believes in our reasons for deposing Saddam Hussein, but because he understood that it was his job to deploy with his unit.

19 posted on 04/18/2004 6:41:10 PM PDT by AQGeiger (I am proud to be the wife of an infantryman in the 82nd Airborne.)
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To: blam
Good. Leave. And take your sad-sack comrades with you - this country is that much stronger when you bail out on it, anyway. It amazes me how some cowards think that the military is nothing more than a free college education.


20 posted on 04/18/2004 6:44:15 PM PDT by Viking2002
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