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Cardinal, in meeting with Kerry, says someone in danger of going to hell is "none of his business"
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 | Gary L. Morella

Posted on 04/18/2004 12:08:47 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

Cardinal, in meeting with Kerry, basically says someone in danger of going to hell is "none of his business"

By Gary L. Morella

There is not much to comment on in the enclosed report from CWN ( http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=28963 )regarding Cardinal McCarrick's meeting with Kerry because, if this report is accurate, McCarrick is NOT a Catholic! Catholics, especially Catholic priests, care about the danger of people going to hell. Kerry, per Canon law, deserves formal excommunication many times over for this public sins, which he flouts. If Kerry's bishop (O'Malley) or Cardinal McCarrick truly cared for his immortal soul they would do just that, excommunicate him to try to bring him to his senses. Instead the response from McCarrick is "(Kerry's) very real risk of going to hell is none of my business" with sacrilege upon sacrilege resulting every time Kerry presents himself for Holy Communion.

Certainly if Kerry ever went into a confessional for the Sacrament of Penance, his confession was not a good one in that absolution for one's sins is contingent upon an act of contrition with a firm purpose of amendment. Kerry shamelessly has repeatedly made his sins public to the scandal of the Church. What planet has Cardinal McCarrick been living on to be blind to this fact?

Going to Heaven instead of hell USED to be the business of the Catholic Church, the ONLY business! The Church is being betrayed from within by those who could care less about this seminal truth as evidenced by Cardinal McCarrick's statements per CWN. This is the same Cardinal McCarrick who refuses to take definitive action against the administration of a pseudo-Catholic university in his archdiocese that, like Kerry, also shamelessly flouts the Church's moral teaching. To the detriment of Kerry's immortal soul, he is being put at risk of "getting to know the devil better for eternity."

To say, as some fraudulently calling themselves Catholic have, that "there is no single issue that should determine a Catholic's vote in regard to Kerry" completely ignores the fact that Kerry is a disciple of the entirety of the "culture-of-eternal-death" being in favor of contraception, abortion, homosexuality, and euthanasia to name the major ones addressed in the Universal Catechism and the Teaching Magisterium of Holy Mother Church. Thus, it is a WHOLE litany of issues for which John Kerry gives no evidence whatsoever that he is a Catholic. For the scandal that he has publicly caused the Church he has de facto excommunicated himself latae sententiae per Canon law, as many orthodox Catholic sources have repeatedly pointed out.

Catholics are not called to check their Faith at the door when they enter public life. They are called to uncompromisingly witness to it for the sake of a Kingdom not of this world, for supernatural reasons, the only reasons for being a Catholic. Everything done by man naturally is to build for living in that other Kingdom. That is the Catholic example that Christ called us all to follow in the last chapter of the Gospel of Matthew. To get right to the point, Catholics are called to convert the world to the One, True Faith for man's natural good leading ultimately to his supernatural good, which is what adherence to the Natural Law, a participation in the Eternal Law, means. How can you do that when, like John Kerry, you encourage disobedience to God's laws?

How can it not be a red flag that something is very wrong with politicians like Kerry, Kennedy ad nauseam, pseudo-Catholic frauds, whose actions do not deserve our support but rather our condemnation for the sake of the souls of all concerned. For the love of God, Cardinal McCarrick, have you forgotten that Kerry could not even bring himself to support a seriously flawed law that only recognizes the life of an innocent in the womb from conception if it is wanted by its mother? Have you forgotten that Kerry is a shameless supporter of partial birth infanticide? WHAT OTHER ISSUE is as important as this, Cardinal McCarrick? And please do not tell me that peace and social justice issues trump life when God knew us before we were in the womb per Jeremiah?

It is personally disgusting for me as a Catholic layman, a father, and a grandfather, to watch our supposed good shepherds skew the teachings of the faith by given the impression that John Kerry is a Catholic, and that there is NOT ONE issue for which Kerry's Catholicism could be called into serious question with the required punishment, given Kerry's bastardization of the faith. That is not what my Catechism says. That is not what Denzinger's the Sources of Catholic Dogma says. That is not what the infallible teaching Magisterium of Holy Mother Church on Faith and morals says, from both extraordinary (ex cathedra) and ordinary standpoints as to what the Church has always traditionally taught, and what the faithful have always traditionally believed. That is not what Saint Thomas Aquinas says in the Summa Theologica, a man whom Leo XIII in Aeterni Patris gave as THE example for Catholic teaching. That is not what Pius IX, Pope Saint Pius X, Pius XI, Pius XII, and the Conciliar popes Paul VI, and John Paul II say in their encyclicals addressing various aspects of Church teaching against the culture-of-eternal-death, in particular the contraceptive mentality leading to abortion for which there is a classical Catholic Magisterial presentation in Pius XI's Casti Connubii, which is another teaching that John Kerry blatantly flouts. That is not what the teachings of the early fathers traditionally held, and it most certainly is not what Sacred Scripture, the inspired word of God inerrant in all things because of that fact, holds on the aforementioned issues.

Just how many mortal sins does Kerry have to commit, and they are mortal, the grave matter per the aforementioned clear Church teaching, the consent to willfully ignore that teaching, and the actual commission, testify to that fact - there are no excuses for the John Kerry's of the world - before someone wearing a miter in this country gives evidence that he is a Catholic by caring enough for Kerry's immortal soul and the souls of those whom he has scandalized by formally stating that Kerry is excommunicated from the Catholic Church?

It is a sad fact that many bishops have encouraged dissent from infallible Magisterial teaching on faith and morals, which spawned a sodomite subculture in the priesthood, that gave us "Catholic" politicians like John Kerry. That is the biggest scandal, i.e., our supposed "good shepherds" doing NOTHING to save our souls!

Gary L. Morella Catholic Member of the Research Faculty The Pennsylvania State University


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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To: cpforlife.org
I'm so disgusted with all of this.

There should be a new category of sin -- Venial sin, Mortal sin, and Cardinal sin.

21 posted on 04/18/2004 1:18:40 PM PDT by steve86
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To: cpforlife.org
Look, I usually get some serious criticism for it when I mention it, but there's really no reason at all for any Christian to seek to assist someone who is undoubtedly at least partially located in "outer darkness" already.

They are totally doomed and beyond our help, or even God's help.

No doubt the Cardinal agrees with me in this case.

22 posted on 04/18/2004 1:20:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: A.A. Cunningham
McCarrick doesn't care about the fate of his own soul, why should he care about anyone else's.

After you sell an item to someone/someTHING else...do you really worry about it anymore?

23 posted on 04/18/2004 1:22:32 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Laicized" means that the priest left on good terms. "Defrocked" is the proper term for McBrien and Greeley.
24 posted on 04/18/2004 1:28:11 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: cpforlife.org; NYer; Pegita
Catholics are not called to check their Faith at the door when they enter public life. They are called to uncompromisingly witness to it for the sake of a Kingdom not of this world, for supernatural reasons, the only reasons for being a Catholic.

Great point. Didn't know if you all were pinged to this, but I thought you'd want to see this post.

It's all about the money. The heirarchy of the American Catholic Church seem to only care about money, not faith.

25 posted on 04/18/2004 1:32:24 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Fr. Richard McBrien is one of the premier heretics in America. The man is infamous. But Cardinal McCarrick should know better, if he is being accurately quoted.

A Catholic bishop has a special obligation, an essential part of his office, to do everything he can to save the souls entrusted to him.

It is well known that Saint Augustine resisted his friends' entreaties that he should become a bishop mainly on this very ground. He didn't want to risk his own soul by taking on the responsibility for all the souls within his diocese. A bishop is responsible not only for his own sins but for the sins of all those in his diocese unless he does everything he humanly can for their welfare.

That's why Dante put so many popes in hell. Popes have a huge responsibility that goes along with their office. So do bishops.
26 posted on 04/18/2004 1:32:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: cpforlife.org
quote from news article you are summing up:

Kerry and Cardinal McCarrick both declined to comment after the 45-minute meeting. A Kerry aide said the meeting was "completely personal and private."

I can't find information to back up your claim

.....Where do you get that Cardinal McCarrick said it's "none of his business"? Do you know what was said?

Your conclusions and title are far from accurate - unless you've failed to link us to an actual quote from the Cardinal or Kerry saying what you've implied.

Hopefully you'll clear this up, thanks

27 posted on 04/18/2004 1:36:12 PM PDT by SunnyUsa
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To: Bogey78O
Wow, a Cardinal that isn't interested in saving souls

Fascinating isn't it? We also have ex-politicos who head Congressionally mandated committees telling the people of the United States of America this: "PEOPLE out to stay out of our BUSINESS".

The entire country has gone mad!!

28 posted on 04/18/2004 1:37:49 PM PDT by PISANO (Our troops...... will NOT tire...will NOT falter.....and WILL NOT FAIL!!!)
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To: SunnyUsa
I didn't write the piece.

I agree with it so I posted it. I added the URL to the article mentioned, but don't subscribe to the site so cannot post the whole thing.
29 posted on 04/18/2004 1:41:35 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
I didn't write the piece.

I agree with it so I posted it. I added the URL to the article mentioned, but don't subscribe to the site so cannot post the whole thing.

So where in the article does it say the cardinal said "it's none of his business"? I'm interested in this, I have met Cardinal McCarrick (he used to be my bishop) I can't believe he actually said this - from what I can see from this article, I don't see a quote from him at all. The fact that they had a private conversation makes me believe the Cardinal told him what the deal is.....

Gov Mcgreevy (D-NJ) is a sleaze liberal/pro abortionist and he basically used his parish as a stepping stone (knights of columbus etc) into politics so it wouldn't be the first time this has happened.

Where is the link for this piece then:

Cardinal, in meeting with Kerry, says someone in danger of going to hell is "none of his business"
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 | Gary L. Morella

maybe he used sources we aren't seeing....

30 posted on 04/18/2004 1:51:47 PM PDT by SunnyUsa
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To: cpforlife.org
What is CWN,Sorry did not have time to read the thread.
31 posted on 04/18/2004 2:01:00 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I'm totally confounded by the thought of a parish priest saying a fellow catholic whose soul is in danger of hell is "none of their business"-never mind a cardinal! I want to see some brave bishop, cardinal, or priest tell Kerry that his beliefs are heretical to his face, not kiss his ass just because he calls himself a catholic and is running for president-he is just a CINO...
32 posted on 04/18/2004 2:06:10 PM PDT by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...)
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To: PISANO
Which one was that?
33 posted on 04/18/2004 2:07:25 PM PDT by Bogey78O (I voted for this tagline... before I voted against it.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Amchurch, Amchurch, Rah rah rah!
Amchurch, Amchurch, Sis boom death.
34 posted on 04/18/2004 2:09:07 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: ex-snook
....or vote his conscience and take his chances on getting re-elected?

You answered your own question.

35 posted on 04/18/2004 2:30:39 PM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It (John Kerry once dreamed he was giving a speech. Then he woke up......and he was!)
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To: Petronski
I've narrowed it to two reasons for Catholic Church official timidity:

(1) Tax-exempt status
(2) Indifference


Also, it's the Democratic Party. Since its founding in 1828, the Democratic Party has garnered the majority support of the nation's Catholics. Dwight Eisenhower in 1956 and the first Bush in 1988 were among the few Republicans to poll a numerical majority among Catholics.
Catholic and Democrat go together like peanut butter and bread.
36 posted on 04/18/2004 2:31:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: SunnyUsa; Polycarp IV
Polycarp, Can you help? Do you have access to the entire article below? SunnyUsa has important questions about it.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=28963
37 posted on 04/18/2004 2:41:07 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org; SunnyUsa
Kerry, Washington cardinal meet

Washington, DC, Apr. 15 (CWNews.com) - John Kerry, the presumptive Democrat nominee for president and a self-proclaimed Catholic, met privately on Thursday with Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, who is heading up a US bishops' task force on dealing with Catholic politicians who reject central teachings of the Catholic faith.

Kerry and Cardinal McCarrick both declined to comment after the 45-minute meeting. A Kerry aide said the meeting was "completely personal and private." Kerry's well-known positions in favor of legalized abortion, gay marriage, embryonic stem cell research, and other problematic issues, as well as his recent public acts of receiving communion at non-Catholic churches, has led to calls from many Catholics that sanctions be levied against Kerry, the first Catholic major party presidential nominee since John F. Kennedy.

Susan Gibbs, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Washington, said Kerry requested the meeting and characterized it as "a chance to get to know each other." In interviews over Easter weekend, Cardinal McCarrick had responded to questions of whether Kerry should be refused Communion for his public and forthright rejection of the Church's teachings by saying, "I would find it hard to use the Eucharist as a sanction," telling Newsweek magazine, "It's between the person and God." When asked what he would tell Kerry if they sought his advice on how to handle the situation, he said: "What they do is really their business and not mine."

To "Fox News Sunday," he said: "I think there are many of us who would feel that there are certain restrictions that we might put on people, that there are certain sanctions that we may put on people. But I think many of us would not like to use the Eucharist as part of the sanctions."

Gibbs said the task force's recommendations would not be made for "several months or even after the election." Last year, the Vatican issued a "doctrinal note" on the obligation of Catholic politicians regarding the integration of their faith and political policies.





38 posted on 04/18/2004 3:18:36 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
If/when Kerry becomes President he wants to make sure his new diocesan hierarch McCarrick won't give him any trouble.

39 posted on 04/18/2004 3:23:45 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: SunnyUsa; cpforlife.org
The author is a close friend of mine. I just asked him about this.

This is the author's way of "paraphrasing" what McCarrick's actions and inactions mean in reality.

No, McCarrick never literally said this. However, boiled down to its essentials, that is what he is saying when he refuses to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant. Excommunication is a spiritual work of mercy designed to catechise the persistent grave scandalous sinner that they are literally going to hell if they don't change.

Refusing to carry out such an essential and neccessary spiritual work of Mercy says the opposite to the sinner, i.e., someone in danger of going to hell is "none of his business"

40 posted on 04/18/2004 3:46:44 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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