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Oklahoma City, TWA Flight 800, and the Gorelick connection
World Net Daily ^ | 4-16-04 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 04/16/2004 2:29:43 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

As a last question to former FBI head Louis Freeh, 9-11 Commissioner John Lehman asked whether Freeh was familiar with the information Jayna Davis has gathered for her new book, "The Third Terrorist." Davis, a former Oklahoma City newswoman, makes a powerful case that Terry Nichols had conspired with convicted World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines and that Timothy McVeigh had received direct aid in the construction and delivery of the bomb from, among others, likely Iraqi agent, Hussain Al-Hussaini, the alleged John Doe #2.

This was an excellent question. Lehman, however, addressed it to the wrong person. He should have turned to his fellow commissioner, Jamie Gorelick, the deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton from 1994 to 1997. The Landmark Legal Foundation has now formally requested that Gorelick step down because she is "hopelessly conflicted." But truth would be served if instead of stepping down Gorelick were forced to open up.

Evidence strongly suggests it was Gorelick – not the ineffectual Freeh – who not only misdirected the FBI's investigation into Oklahoma City, but also the FBI investigation into TWA Flight 800. The parallels between the two cases are shocking. And in each case, the Clinton administration constrained the FBI for the same reason: to advance the re-election chances of its standard bearer.

This story rightfully begins on Election Day, Nov. 8, 1994. In a time of peace and economic growth, Democrats lost an incredible 52 seats in the House and eight in the Senate. "The election itself is being described as a total repudiation of Bill Clinton and the Democrats," Labor Secretary Robert Reich observed at the time, a "fundamental realignment."

After days of anger and self-pity, Bill Clinton began to focus again on the one organizing principle that had directed his life to date. "All that mattered was his survival," Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos would write of his former boss. "Everyone else had to fall in line: his staff, his cabinet, the country, even his wife."

Stephanopoulos speaks here of another circumstance, but the principle was eternal. In the next two years, the Clintons would sacrifice the nation's very security to secure another four years in office. As I report in "Ron Brown's Body," Islamic terrorism was just the half of it, but it was the urgent half.

Five days before the election, in an unrelated event, Ramzi Yousef had applied for a visa to the Philippines. On the next day, Terry Nichols received a visa for the Philippines and left for Cebu City two weeks later. On the way to the airport, he unnerved his ex-wife, Lana Padilla, when he handed her a sealed package and told her, "If I'm not back in 60 days, open it and follow the instructions." Curious, Padilla opened the package only to find a will, Nichol's life insurance policy, and instructions that led her to $20,000 in cash.

Two weeks after Nichols' arrival, Ramzi Yousef boarded a Philippines Airline flight in Manila and planted a small bomb. The bomb killed the Japanese tourist who took his seat after Yousef had disembarked in Cebu City.

A month later, January 1995, Yousef had to flee his Manila apartment after setting it on fire while building bombs. When his roommate, a Pakistani pilot, returned to the apartment to retrieve Yousef's laptop, he was arrested. Yousef immediately fled to Pakistan where he would be seized weeks later. Terry Nichols hastily returned to the United States. When Padilla asked Nichols why he had come back so soon, he told her cryptically, "Somebody could get killed down there." Perhaps more than coincidentally, the logbook in Yousef's Manila apartment bore the signature of an occasional visitor named "Nick."

In "Against All Enemies," Richard Clarke casually addresses the simultaneous visits of these two terrorists to the Philippines in general, and Cebu City in particular. "We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay," writes Clarke, "and were deadly when he returned." Nichols continued to call the Philippines frequently and surreptitiously after his return.

On April 19, 1995, I was co-hosting a point-counter point radio show on Kansas City's leading AM station, KMBZ. The show aired just before Rush Limbaugh, who once worked at the station. The Oklahoma bomb detonated just as we were going on the air.

My partner and I followed developments closely. Early police reports and intelligence briefings led us all to believe that the bomb was the work of Islamic terrorists. When, however, the police identified McVeigh as a suspect a day later, my partner was absolutely gleeful. A wily and well-connected Democrat strategist, he went on the air and issued an All Points Bulletin for McVeigh's "co-conspirators – Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich." He claimed their hate speech and talk of revolution had inflamed the allegedly right-wing McVeigh.

My partner was simply following the Democratic National Committee's talking points. Democrats, the president included, were spreading this same message all across America. Clinton, more subtle than his supporters, assigned responsibility for the bombing to the "purveyors of hate and division." His supporters filled in the blanks. A master of strategic grief counseling, Clinton descended on Oklahoma City with an approval rating in the low 40s and left town with a rating well above 50. Late in the 1996 campaign, he would confide to reporters that his road back to the White House began in Oklahoma City.

The president, however, was more interested in the points he could score off Oklahoma City than in the truth. In her stunning book, Jayna Davis documents beyond all doubt what that truth was: McVeigh and Nichols had help from Islamic terrorists – not only in the Philippines, but also in Oklahoma City. In her role as a reporter for KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City, Davis interviewed more than 20 reliable eyewitnesses who identified the crew of Iraqi nationals who had helped McVeigh assemble and deliver the bomb, among them, John Doe #2, Hussain Al-Hussaini.

Much as with TWA 800, however, the FBI lost all interest in the eyewitnesses as soon as the White House had established its talking points. The details of this abandonment appall the reader. "Could the al-Qaida explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for America?" writes Richard Clarke of Nichols' visit to the Philippines. "We do not know, despite some FBI investigation."

"Some FBI investigation"? Why was there not a massive FBI investigation? On Yousef's laptop seized from that burning Manila apartment were plans for Operation Bojinka. The following excerpt from a classified Republic of the Philippines intelligence report speaks to the nature of those plans:

 

The document [from Yousef's computer] specifically cited the charter service of a commercial type aircraft loaded with powerful bombs to be dive-crashed by SAEED AKMAN. This is apparently intended to demonstrate to the whole world that a Muslim martyr is ready and determined to die for the glorification of Islam.

 

Richard Clarke was well aware of these plans. In response to a question by Democrat Richard Ben-Veniste at a 9-11 hearing, Clarke admitted that the "knowledge about al-Qaida having thought of using aircraft as weapons" was relatively old – "five years, six years old." He asked that intelligence analysts "be forgiven for not thinking about it given the fact that they hadn't seen a lot in the five or six years intervening about it." He admittedly did not share these plans with the Bush administration.

The reason Islamic terrorist links were ignored has more to do with politics than with security. Once arrested, McVeigh and Nichols served as poster boys for the natural progression of the "Republican revolution." If, however, they proved to be mere "lily whites" – i.e., stooges recruited by Islamic terrorists to take the fall – they would lose their political value. Moreover, liberal scolds could no longer hector those who had publicly presumed that Islamic terrorists were behind the bombing.

This included not only the political right but also non-partisan terrorist experts like Steven Emerson, who had already been upbraided for "bigotry and misrepresentations" and "creating mass hysteria against American Arabs." Indeed, to the detriment of our national security, the orchestrated Democratic reaction to Oklahoma City shamed reporters and investigators from pursuing Islamic terrorism aggressively. This, Davis documents all too painfully from her personal experience.

This pattern of denial climaxed in the days following July 17, 1996, the day that TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of Long Island. In this case, too, the FBI ignored – among other evidence – hundreds of eyewitnesses, the damning FAA radar tape and the scores of positive hits for explosive residue on the plane. And although Ramzi Yousef was on trial that very day in New York for his role in Operation Bojinka, there was no connection made between those plans and the destruction of the plane. Just the opposite. Richard Clarke, in fact, takes credit for suppressing the real evidence and discovering the preposterous "mechanical failure" thesis that the administration eventually made stick.

Although it is easy to blame the FBI for the shameful investigative breakdowns both in Oklahoma City and on Long Island, its agents did not subvert the investigations of their own accord. Their orders came from Washington. The responsibility for enforcing these orders fell to Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Soviet equivalent of the "political officer" within the Justice Department.

On Aug. 22, 1996 – five weeks after the crash of TWA 800 – Gorelick summoned the FBI's Jim Kallstrom to Washington to be served up a dose of survival reality. Kallstrom had been a good soldier. He had kept all talk of eyewitnesses and satellites and radar and missiles out the news. But the evidence had led him far away from mechanical failure, and there was no easy way to turn back.

To be sure, no account of the meeting provides any more than routine detail, but behaviors began to change immediately afterward, especially after the New York Times broke a headline story the next day, top right: "Prime Evidence Found That Device Exploded in Cabin of Flight 800." This article stole the thunder from Clinton's election-driven approval of welfare reform in that same day's paper and threatened to undermine the peace and prosperity message of next week's Democratic convention.

On that same Aug. 23, the Federal Aviation Administration began to inquire whether any explosives-training exercises had ever taken place on the plane that would become TWA 800. From that day forward, the FBI would do no more serious eyewitness interviews. On that same day, Kallstrom was now saying for the first time, "It was possible that the PETN could have been brought on the plane by a passenger and was not part of a bomb."

Jim Kallstrom was not the only one who had learned the hard way that there could be no terrorism in the summer of 1996. At the "feel good" Atlanta Olympics, the beleaguered security guard Richard Jewell, the poor soul who first spotted the Centennial Park bomb, was learning a harder lesson still.

Although Davis does not document Gorelick's role in Oklahoma City, media accounts routinely describe her as the director of the Oklahoma City task force, the so-called "field commander." As Davis has told me, someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it."

If that person is not Jamie Gorelick, perhaps she could tell the 9-11 Commission who it is. By suppressing the truth in Oklahoma City, Long Island and Atlanta – and then burying it – the Clinton administration left America wide open on Sept. 11. Apologies are in order, but they will not be enough.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; clintonfailure; clintonfailures; clintonlegacy; commission; conspiracy; farahnoid; fredthompson; gorelick; gorelickmemo; jackcashill; jaynadavis; murrahbuilding; okc; okcbombing; ramziyousef; sept11; terrynichols; twa800
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"They didn't tell the people that the leader of the WTC1 plot WAS AN IRAQI AGENT. "

I agree. Even Clark said this in his testimony. Why didn't the White House jump on that and say - Gee, this guy helps blow up the WTC, he goes to Iraq, and the democrats can't get him because the Clinton administration couldn't extradite him from an Iraq that around a year earlier had been totally defeated in the first gulf war.

I think we also should emphasize the difference between how democrats and republican react to terrorist attacks on the same WTC. Dems try to indict and extradite, Republican issue ultimatums and fight.
141 posted on 04/18/2004 12:01:25 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: XBob
Thank you so much for the article!
142 posted on 04/18/2004 7:22:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Just mythoughts; XBob
I don't see how depravity is an explanation for this. It looks to me like they deliberately and puposefully disabled the US intelligence apparatus. I've tried to attribute this to some other motivation. I don't think there is another believable explanation. The actions are too specific.
143 posted on 04/18/2004 10:37:02 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: XBob
I know that there were a lot of Arkancides but I was referring specificly to deaths in the commerce department. I think that there were only two ADDITIONAL deaths from the commerce department, following the 12 or 13 commerce dept aides that died in the crash with Brown.
144 posted on 04/18/2004 10:38:30 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Alamo-Girl; flamefront
142 - you are welcome

It is a long and excellent article. I have a fair number more from that time period, but don't have link addresses on most, if they even still exist.

Oops. I forgot to ping famefront - Ping.
145 posted on 04/18/2004 4:27:48 PM PDT by XBob
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To: gitmo
143 - "I don't see how depravity is an explanation for this. It looks to me like they deliberately and puposefully disabled the US intelligence apparatus. I've tried to attribute this to some other motivation. I don't think there is another believable explanation. The actions are too specific"

I think Missus Hillary (xlinton) was just depravity, but I think Hildebeast, considering her first job after graduating was intering for the lawyer for the communist party in the US, was purely calculated to destroy this country.
146 posted on 04/18/2004 4:32:09 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
bump
147 posted on 04/18/2004 6:13:11 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (..9-11 Commision..=..2004 version of Keystone Cops-)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; ThreePuttinDude
more good articles from the same author/source WorldnetDaily. click source for links:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=164

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148 posted on 04/18/2004 8:22:29 PM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
SCARY as It Is; I SERIOUSLY FEAR that Ms Gorelick MAY NOT SURVIVE long enough to Testify Under Oath DESPITE "Threats to Her Life!!"

But Then, I'm Just a Simple Peasant; HOW could I Know Anything Important?? HHMMNN??

Oklahoma City & Flight 800 were BOTH Terrorist Attacks;-- Our "Government" KNOWS This. The Fact That We have NOT BEEN TOLD is the GREATEST FAILURE of "W"'s administration.

His Administration STILL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND that the "People" can "Take It!!"

The BEST Bond between "W" & "The People" is "The TRUTH!!"

If the Truth emerges about Oklahoma & TWA800, a LOT of people will "Go to Jail!!"

At This Late Date, No one wants to Hurt anyone.

By the SAME TOKEN, there is NO WAY that the members of "W"'s Administration can be held responsible for SADDAM's OKLAHOMA BOMBING or the MANPAD TWA800 Bombing!! The Clintons attempted to utterly avoid the Oklahoma & FLT800 Bombings.

"Jamie Gorelick" is in the MIDDLE of BOTH Coverup's.

When Ms Gorelick eventually "Comes Clean," we can FINALLY understand the "Depth" of the committment to the "Political Coverup" we are dealing with.

149 posted on 04/18/2004 9:21:18 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Iraq is far more powerful and a far greater threat than Iran or Saudi Arabia. Its actions over the last 20 yrs show just how great a threat it was to its neighbors and its own people"

If you think Iraq was a greater danger than Iran, and Saudi Arabia, you are either misinformed by Fox network, or rather blindly follow Bush.

in the past 20 years Iraq had a proxy war for us against the Ayatollah Khomeini. We gave Saddam lots of help to mess with the fanatic Moslems of Iran. We rewarded him by having full diplomatic relation AFTER he had poisoned radical Islamic insurgency. After he invaded Kuwait with the approval of our ambassador (Gillespie) we reduced his arm force to practically nothing, bombed him occasionally, and imposed a sanction that humiliated him in front of his public. He had no supporters, so he wanted to gain Moslem Arab support; accordingly, he had to play their tune of being against Israel, and to support Islamic Jihad. In other words Saddam, the bad dictator was not a foaming at the mouth Islamic fanatic type he acted like one toward the last year in power. He was brutal, but not as dangerous to the US as Khomeini, or the Saudis. The Saudis have been spending billions of dollars to promote their hate-filled cult called Wahhabism Islam. You need to read more, and change the channel once in a while from Fox to see the other side of the story. Or may be you are just comfortable with your side of the story at any price?

150 posted on 04/19/2004 5:58:21 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Iraq is far more powerful and a far greater threat than Iran or Saudi Arabia. Its actions over the last 20 yrs show just how great a threat it was to its neighbors, and its own people.

I agree, but possibly for different reasons.

Reason #1-motive. Saddam Hussein was summarily humiliated BY THE UNITED STATES before the world in 1991. Then left to fester about it. The attempt on Bush I's life is the best indication that he wished to retaliate.

Motive #2. The attempt to retaliate failed. To think that Saddam wouldn't attempt to do our country harm, and do so in a clandestine manner is an opinion one has a right to, but for the one sworn to our defense to make such a judgement would be foolish.

It is inarguable that Iran and Saudi pose a threat to us, but lacking the revenge motive, they are much more malleable without war, IMHO.

151 posted on 04/19/2004 6:36:27 AM PDT by wayoverontheright (Hidetheweeniespeak-the native tongue of liberals.)
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To: TomasUSMC
Yousef and Nichols crossed paths in the Phillipines. Mohammed was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given money and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

152 posted on 04/19/2004 6:53:30 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; backhoe; All
Jayna Davis was on FNC this morning. I only caught a snippet of the interview, so I'm hoping there's a transcript somewhere. I did hear her mention Richard Clarke, and something about what Clarke said in his book about Nichols and a Phillipine terror connection? If anyone runs across the transcript, please link it here.
153 posted on 04/19/2004 6:57:03 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: wayoverontheright
You are correct to point to an obvious motive that Saddam had.
154 posted on 04/19/2004 8:16:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: philosofy123
I blindly follow the truth and have no great reliance upon Fox to obtain it. Fox might have 50% of the truth which isn't perfect but far better than the RATmedia average of 5% truth(baseball scores.)

There is no question that Iraq was a far greater threat as anyone versed in international relations or history would know. Iraq had invaded its neighbors, gassed its own people, undertaken terrorist attacks upon the US homeland, and had an ongoing chemical and biological weapons program. It was much further along in the development of nuclear weapons than Iran and would have had one had Israel not blown up its reaction in the 1980s. It was also in a stand-off with the UN resulting from the Kuwait War.

Iraq was Terror Central and International Terrorism had no chance of being controlled/contained without the removal of Saddam from power. This is why you see the frenzied and desperate attacks within Iraq by terrorists from across the Islamic world. They understand that if Bush has his way in Iraq they are finished.

Iran has done none of these things. It has no modern armed forces (having been cut off from its main supplier, the US, for decades.) It has a restive population which could toss the mullahs in the near future and is just beginning a nuclear research program. This is not to say that it doesn't cause as much trouble for the US as it can while keeping the strings hidden or that we will not have to deal with it militarily. But I don't believe that will be necessary.

It is a LIE that Gillspe gave Saddam a green light of ANY kind to invade Kuwait. This LIE more than likely comes from RATmedia disinformation attempts to prevent the first Gulf War.

Saudi is not a military threat at all and the irritations it generates through its religious insanity can be handled without much difficulty. In fact, for those subtle enough to grasp it, there is great conflict within the Kingdom as indicated by the stance that OBL has taken towards it.
155 posted on 04/19/2004 8:34:15 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: TomasUSMC
This stuff will be revealed over the summer and fall I feel quite sure. It could not be put out too quickly because it would allow time for the RATmedia to launch a all out counterattack of lies (as it did with Clarke's attack on the President.) By doing it at the right time the RATmedia machine can be kept off balance unable to formulate an effective response. So far the administration has handled this beautifully and Ashcroft's delivery of the deathblow to this Commission could not have been better handled.

We must be patient.
156 posted on 04/19/2004 9:06:59 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
((There is no question that Iraq was a far greater threat as anyone versed in international relations or history would know. Iraq had invaded its neighbors, gassed its own people, undertaken terrorist attacks upon the US homeland, and had an ongoing chemical and biological weapons program. It was much further along in the development of nuclear weapons than Iran and would have had one had Israel not blown up its reaction in the 1980s. It was also in a stand-off with the UN resulting from the Kuwait War.))

You need to re-read your statements above again. It amazes me how much information is available to you, and you are still using the talking points rather than questioning these points?

1) Saddam gassed fanatical Islamists more than ten years ago. We then offered him FULL diplomatic relation. That was done because he has doing our proxy war. If you were under a rock somewhere during his conflict with Iran, and the Reagan arming him, and giving him intelligence to fight our war, then please read about it in history documents.

2)His military has been decimated by our constant bombing, and sanction.

3)The transcript of his meeting with Gillespie has been in all papers during the first Gulf war. How can facts become LIES in your views?

4) He had chemical and biological war material during the 1991 Gulf war, and HE DID NOT USE THEM against us, or against Israel. The UN then disarmed "most" of these weapons?

The confusion about his threat as life-long SECULAR dictator is a gross miscalculation. It cost us to waste time and money on a hell hole place that was "basically contained"! Our real enemy as I mentioned is Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and all other fanatical Islamic governments like Sudan.... You may choose to ignore the facts, but the facts will always be with us. Unless the US stops the hate preaching from Moslem Mosques all over the world and in the West too, we will always be in dangers. There are millions of fanatical Moslems in the US, and Europe being fed hate daily! What are we doing about that? We respect their religion of Peace. Good day.

157 posted on 04/20/2004 7:19:03 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
"Talking points" from whom? I have steadfastly maintained everything I said for years while scorn was heaped on them by the RATmedia and not supported by any major authority figure. Not ONE of them can be refuted though you are welcome to try.

Kurds are NOT "fanatical Islamists." Apparently you lack knowledge about that incident. Another LIE is that "Reagan armed him." Analysis of his armaments showed that >95% of his arms came from Russia, France, Germany and China. If you are unaware of this undisputed FACT (contrary to the RATmedia LIES) there is a lot of work you need to do.

Saddam had no plans to use his military against us. He was using the terror groups that is why this is a war ON TERROR.

There is not one WORD in transcripts where Gillespie gave Saddam a green light. NOT ONE. All who claim she did infer it by standing on their heads and squinting.

Only after his sons-in-law defected four years after the Gulf War were the weapons found. Why, in God's name, do you believe he could not have hidden others better since he had years to do it? Why would he prefer to give up his power rather than show that he had destroyed them? Why do you seem oblivious to the fact that many of these were binary and activated by mixing? They were not kept around active.

Why did EVERY intelligence agency across the world: France, Germany, UK, Iran, Italy say he did have these weapons? Do you seriously believe a responsible president could just blow them off and risk attacks in our major cities after 9/11 and the anthrax attacks (which came from Iraq I am sure though can't prove it.)
158 posted on 04/20/2004 9:48:38 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
Excellent info
159 posted on 04/22/2004 2:50:52 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: tkathy
This should shut up and put to rest those wackos leftist, and the liberals/democrats who are trying to perpetrate the bogus supposed 9/11 conspiracy theory that President Bush & company planned and orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, and , even make Michael Moore's bogus leftist propaganda movie Fahrenheit 9/11 more irreverent.
But ? this new news and revelations about the Clinton's and Jamie Gorelick makes those conspiracy theories about the TWA flight 800 more reverent, and maybe true.
160 posted on 08/12/2005 6:43:32 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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